Dear Mr. President

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malfeasance

DAWG-GONE IT! I have always wanted to use that word in a conversation! It just has this certain "thing" about it. Mal-fea-sance... malfeasance... what a cool word. I think I'll name my next kid "Malfeasance". Errr... never mind. The ol' ball-n-chain comes up preggers now... she gots some SERIOUS 'splaining to do... (right after the divorce)

D - Malfeasant (Mal-pheasant? A disfigured fowl? Hmmm?)

and how often do you get to use a word like that in its most correct meaning? :laugh:

Might be a good name for a dog. Friend of mine named his dog Bananahead. Dog got blind and arthritic but still liked to chase cars. Would get out of the house, and they’d have to go around the neighborhood yelling “Bananahead! Bananahead!”

Oh yeah…

I click by CNN… guess what the byline was? “Is Bill Clinton still relevant?” or something similar… GOOD FRIGGIN’ GRIEF??? YES! He’s still relevant! He should be tried, convicted and thrown UNDER the BLINKIN’ JAIL!! (Along with his “wife”…) But since it ain’t gonna happen… EVER. SHUT UP!! I don’t give a single solitary **** what Bill Commie-Pinko S.O.B. Clinton is doing these days. “Relevant?” WHO GIVES A CRAP?!?!?

Holy smokes…

D

PS And the Dems wonder why us “middle of the road-ers” don’t just jump on board and drink their Kool-Aide… They are their own worst enemy… idiots. (The Repubs are just as stupid! … I’m an equal opportunity griper…)

PPS Whoops…

Come on guys - forget about Clinton - he’s history now.
But I am curious why you think Hillary should be thrown in jail (I mean I’ve never even heard the most right-wing wacko’s say that)?
Seriously, the whole impeachment thing was an utter and complete joke.
The judge threw out Paula Jone’s case against Clinton - end of story.
The whole impeachment case hinged on that case and it was thrown out.
Clinton only settled with Jones because he promised he wouldn’t fight it any more, but he could have probably won that.

Now don’t go get me wrong - I am not saying that Clinton didn’t make a lot of mistakes and didn’t do some really STUPID things, but I don’t recall anything that should have put him in jail.

Now if we talk about Bush Jr - I think he’s about the worst President that we’ve had.
He got us into 2 wars and the economy crumbled under his watch.
He also allowed techniques that are TORTURE and basically broke international (and US) law in doing so.
Sorry but those are the facts.
History will confirm everything I’ve said.

As for the left bashing Bush, I think in a couple of years, W will be forgotten by both the left & the right.

our dog growing up, aussie mix, was affectionately named “spew” by my dad. no joke. had that dog probably 8 or 9 years after we found her at the beach.

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I don't recall anything that should have put him in jail.


Cox Report

Not that it all actually made it to the public eye... BIG WOOLLY BLANKET BOYS AND GIRLS? Keep it under wraps eh?

At least Bushy didn't sell US(A) to Communist China... Clintoon sure did. Bushy = +1 | Clinton = -10

D

PS Don't ask me how I know what I know. I'd have to kill myself... and I LOVE ME... :laugh:

PPS Hilla-roid? Jailed? For being stupid enough to stay with that crooked a$$ traitor for all these years...

PPPS DAMMIT! ... suckered in again...

I didn’t recall the Cox report but I looked it up and it seems like the Clinton admin repsonded to it quite well - see below:

"In its response, the Administration agreed with
the Committee on the need to maintain effective measures to prevent the
diversion of U.S. technology and prevent unauthorized disclosure of
sensitive military information. This applies to our exports worldwide.
We also agree with the Committee’s recommendation to support U.S. high
tech competitiveness consistent with national security. This has been a
longstanding premise of the Clinton Administration’s technology transfer
policies.

In this regard, the Administration agrees with the substance of nearly
all the Committee’s recommendations, many of which we have been
implementing for months, and in some cases, years. We have worked
cooperatively with the Committee to declassify as much of the report as
possible so that the American public can be informed on these important
issues, consistent with the need to protect sensitive national security
and law enforcement information. The declassified report, released
today, provides the Committee’s detailed assessments and investigations
underlying its recommendations. Although the Administration does not
agree with all of the Committee’s analysis, we share the Committee’s
objective of strengthening export controls and counterintelligence,
while encouraging legitimate commerce for peaceful purposes."

With regard to Bush, I don’t see how any non-partisan person could look at the facts and the history of the Iraq war and give Bush anything but negative grades. The Bush admin trumpted up the WMD story, they trumpted up the Iraq-Al Quada connection and they started a war that has killed thousands of US service men/woman and thousands of innocent Iraq’s. And there’s really no end in sight to the problems in Iraq, despite Obama wanted to get out. How many people died as the result of Clinton’s actions?

And if the economy had melted down under Clinton’s watch, the right would have been all over him.

Quote: (Mr Soul @ Jun. 03 2009, 8:25 PM)

The judge threw out Paula Jone's case against Clinton - end of story.

Clinton only settled with Jones because he promised he wouldn't fight it any more, but he could have probably won that.

If the judge threw it out, why did he settle??

If he could have won, he musta been pissed when the judge threw it out, yet you say he settled.


dude.. you need to get your history re-write straight.
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dude.. you need to get your history re-write straight.

DUDE - I am not nor will I EVER re-write history.
These are the FACTS!!!

"Before the case reached trial, Judge Susan Webber Wright granted President Clinton's motion for summary judgment, ruling that Jones could not show that she had suffered any damages—according to Arkansas state law standards of outrage and intentional infliction of emotional distress—even if her claim of sexual harassment were otherwise proven. Jones appealed the dismissal to a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, where, at oral argument, two of the three judges on the panel appeared sympathetic to her arguments.[10] On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, but without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal. All but $151,000 went to pay what were by then her considerable legal expenses."

Clinton said in his book that he promised to stop fighting the case, so he settled.
That's his explanation.

"Paula Jones agreed to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Clinton on Nov. 13 in return for $850,000 – but no apology or admission of guilt from the president.

Two weeks later, when the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed the suit, it marked the conclusive end of Clinton's battle against Jones and her conservative backers. Seven months earlier, the case was dismissed by a district-court judge as having no merit, but Jones appealed. "

Again - this is not to say that Clinton didn't do anything wrong, because he probably did try to seduce Paula Jones. My main point was to impeach and throw him out of office, Paula Jones needed to have won either the original case or the appeal, neither of which she did. That is why the Senate acquitted Bill Clinton.

Any president is stuck doing such a balancing act to keep his base happy and still not alienate mainstream America, that it’s pretty much an impossible job. I wouldn’t want it. I get the impression Obama is trying to take what he considers a centrist position on things. We just disagree where the center is. Though I tend to lean more to the right, I like hearing an honest and open discussion of the issues. I get turned off when I hear either side just wanting to talk about what a bunch of evil bastards the other side is, like that’s really gonna make me wanna vote for them.

I’m pretty much the same Kev. :agree:

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I get turned off when I hear either side just wanting to talk about what a bunch of evil bastards the other side is, like that’s really gonna make me wanna vote for them.


It’s a lot of fun to banter around and poke at each other on the ol’ webber-net forums though! I think most everybody here knows I’m mostly full of crap and basically harmless. :)

You can tell I’m lying because my lips… err… my fingers are typing… :laugh:

D

PS You really can’t take it too seriously anyway. Like it or not, what we think or feel has little bearing on “politics”. Unless of course, you are donating millions to either parties war chest. I know I ain’t!!
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I get the impression Obama is trying to take what he considers a centrist position on things. We just disagree where the center is.

I think that is an accurate and fair statement. Now I happen to agree with Obama where the center is. Yesterday's speech in Eygpt was a good example - Obama tries to show both sides of the issue and show where the agreements and disagreements are.

Can you give an example of some issue where Obama's "center" is not the same as yours?

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I get turned off when I hear either side just wanting to talk about what a bunch of evil bastards the other side is, like that's really gonna make me wanna vote for them.

I do too but but honest now - listen to what the right (Limbaugh, Coulter, FOX news, etc) has been calling the left for quite some time now. I mean it's really vile and disgusting. Main stream right-wingers now paint liberals as evil people. The left and moderate-left had to take the same approach to "balance" it off.

But I believe this is why Obama won - people have grown weary of this crap.

Where is the center? And where do I disagree with President Obama? The first thing that comes to mind is energy and environmental issues. Honestly, on my part, it’s more of a fear of where this is all heading. I expect energy prices to become quite a bit higher due to actions taken by the government, despite the fact that many Americans have already cut back on their consumption. During the election, I didn’t hear any poll regarding the concerns of citizens that had global warming/environmental issues anywhere near the top of the list. Most people I know are very skeptical of the whole thing, and I’m hopeful that the President will take that skepticism into account as he devises his policies. Encouraging people to conserve is one thing. Forcing them to is quite another. This is an area where he could become very unpopular very quickly if he’s not careful.

I didn’t hear the speech in Egypt you spoke of, but regarding our foreign policy, I don’t oppose offering an olive branch, as long as it’s understood if we find stronger action is required, we will, however reluctantly, follow through. Not everyone is going to play nice with us just because they see we want to play nice with them.

I see a big difference between what bloggers, forum dwellers, talk show hosts and newspaper columnists have to say, and those who actually speak for their political party and it’s positions. We, as citizens, are free to express our opinions openly, though hopefully in a civil manner. When Nancy Pelosi tries to play political games, it’s quite right that she finds herself getting into trouble.

And I do agree that Obama was elected because he sought to stay above usual political name calling, and present himself as a leader and statesman and not just the next politician in line. But the flip side of that is there were no policy positions that he can point to as the reason we selected him. But he did gain our trust enough that we gave him four years to prove himself. May God bless him.

Amen. Well said.

Ditto… my thoughts as well Kev. Nicely written.

D

The Center Explained…oh so well…

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Where is the center? And where do I disagree with President Obama? The first thing that comes to mind is energy and environmental issues. Honestly, on my part, it's more of a fear of where this is all heading. I expect energy prices to become quite a bit higher due to actions taken by the government, despite the fact that many Americans have already cut back on their consumption.

Well I thought Obama explained his energy policy quite well - create jobs while advancing green technologies.
I support that.
Why do you think that the gov make energy prices go higher? By raising energy taxes or something else?

I also think health care is pretty fundamental concern for all Americans, and I think Obama's views on that are perhaps alittle to the left, but I think he is on the right course.

Of course, we are all concerned about the economy and hopefully Obama will succeed but he may not.
We have to be ready for that too.

As for environmental issues, i.e., global warming, that's been a pretty steady Democrat platform item for quite some time, so there's no surprise there for me.

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When Nancy Pelosi tries to play political games, it's quite right that she finds herself getting into trouble.
Perhaps but if you are referring to the CIA briefing in the fall of 2002 (I think), I believe her story.
It would be stupid for her to lie about that and I don't think Pelosi is that stupid.
It's quite conceivable to me that the CIA did not give her any details about waterboarding, etc.

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May God bless him.

Diddo.

All of the issues - Health Care, Energy, Ecconomic (aka Credit, mortgage, market) Security (homeland and abroad) are all controlled by large corporate entities. These entities controll the poloticians - including Obama. What you can expect is the same thing in a different package. Sorry. Hey, at least you got your hope fix.