Global warming?

This is why I put my boots on when Gore spews his mind vomit:


http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

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I am writing in response to a misleading article written by Tom Harris. The
Article is titled “Scientists respond to Gore’s warnings of climate
catastrophe” and can be found here:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

Professor Bob Carter is part of the “Tech Central Science Foundation”, an
organization that is heavily funded by Exxon Mobile. This “Inconventient
Truth” is somehow overlooked and not mentioned by the author, although it
took a layman such as myself a whole 5 minutes to discover the truth about
Prof. Bob Carter using Google.

And we are supposed to think theres no motivation behind his dismissal of
Global Warming? Did you think your readers were that stupid?

Here’s the “Inconvenient Truth” about Prof. Bob Carter:
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=112

Regards,
John R. Nieminski


So the real question is "Are you a full time moron or do you just dabble at it in the wee hours?"

Al

Ya I agree with you Bob, and I 100% agree with that article. There is definitely a movement afoot of an anti-developemnt anti-commercail establishment do gooders trying to save a few harp seals and rallying the masses so they can vacation in a wilderness paradise by denying us poor blokes a living. I see it first hand in the Yukon, Canada. They will grab hold of anything they can and put a very slanted spin on it. It’s truely an anti-capitalist, socialist agenda. These same people who are rallying the troops to scare people into thinking it’s a doomsday scenario are the same people who rally against nuclear power, then they will be rallying against biometric fuels because too much water is being used to maintain the crops, it’s the same people who are determined to turn the place I live in into an eco-tourist destination and are too f’ing cheap to leave a tip for a waitress that’s making $9 an hour, same people who see gun crimes in the big letropolitan cities who want to take rifles away from subsistance hunters who live in rural Canada.

I’m sick of these bastards. Greenpeace can go suck my f’ing you know what, CPAW too, and especially David Susiki, another consumate fear mongering hippy that thinks he’s still protesting in the 60’s. So a message to all you new age hippies, go hug your own f’ing trees, stay out of mine.

“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant: It’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

- Ronald Reagan

You guys are completely wrong about who is concerned about GW, i.e., anti-developement anti-commercial establishment. GW is happening & Gore is right about it. Most “real” scientists agree that the Earth is warming up. The conservative thing to do would be to reduce the green-house effect until we can develop new technologies that reduce GW.

I love your Reagan quote Clarke - wasn’t he the one who said trees polute? Too funny! Reagan was a grade B actor & a buffune, who got Nancy pregnant out of wedlock (nice values). He appealed to Americans who wanted simple answers to complex problems (and did a good job at at I might add).

Mike,

Always happy to act the “buffune” for you…

kisses,
C

And you never disappoint me.

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww…

it’s a love covenant.

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TOKYO - The ozone hole over the Antarctic is likely to begin contracting in the future and may disappear by 2050 because of a reduction in the release of chlorofluorocarbons and other ozone-depleting gases, according to a team of Japanese scientists.

The findings are based on a series of numerical simulations carried out by Eiji Akiyoshi of the National Institute for Environmental Studies, near Tokyo, using projected emissions of chlorofluorocarbons and other gases blamed for the ozone hole.

According to a report posted Friday on the institute’s Web site, the hole is at its largest now but is likely to gradually start contracting around 2020 and disappear by around 2050.

The team’s findings are in line with research by other scientists.

Some, however, have suggested the hole won’t heal until much later because old refrigerators and air-conditioning systems — many in the United States and Canada — are still releasing ozone-killing chemicals. Both countries curbed those chemicals in newer products.

Satellites and ground stations have been monitoring the ozone hole over the South Pole since its discovery in the 1980s.

Chlorofluorocarbon levels in the earth’s atmosphere have been declining since the mid-1990s due to international efforts to reduce emissions

Copyright 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.


So in 30 years, the Chicken Littles will be yelling “We’re gonna FREEZE to death!!!”… There is so much BS floating around about Global Warming that people really don’t give the subject notice anymore. Mostly because it is alarmist conjecture and nothing else. Take industrial and automotive emissions, one volcanic eruption put’s more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than humankind has since the industrial revolution. How we gonna stop them?

Look it up. It’s out there.

Now go make some music or sumthin’… :p

D

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There is so much BS floating around about Global Warming that people really don’t give the subject notice anymore. Mostly because it is alarmist conjecture and nothing else.

Which is too bad. I think the greater problem of pollution gets put in this same category which is a shame. I don’t think anyone here thinks lead and mercury in our water is a great idea and a “no big deal” side effect of progress.

What if global warming is real? It seems a lot of folks like to make an excuse for using their horridly inefficiant and polluting ways. I just wonder how much is fact/good science on the one side and how much is rationalizing wanting to sell oil, not have to pay for anti-pollution technology, and driving around in a Hummer on the other. To me it is one of those things where folks see a house fire and either let the house burn, or they run in like lunatics to save the silverware. Neither makes much sense. But which is worse? Letting the fire burn and doing nothing? Or over reacting to it? Temperatures HAVE gone up and there is no denying it. The question really is what is causing it and should we do anything to try to stop it?

It is a real shame as we should all be concerned about the environment as we are toast if we screw it up. But this issue has been painted with such broad strokes, everyone seems to have chosen a side and forgets the worthiness of the greater cause… we’re dead with out the environment.

I don’t really get this. Should we ignore solid evidence of shrinking glaciers, extreme storm activity and warming oceans; all of which has vastly accelerated during the last 100 years? Doesn’t the fact that the hole in the ozone layer is diminishing prove that science and politics CAN repair damage done to the earth? Do we all understand that the fact that the ozone layer is slowly healing has nothing to do with global warming ( they are not even close to the same thing) ? Is it more important to ignore the Katrinas and disappearing coastlines in favor of increased profits for polluting businesses? Do people here understand that climatic changes in the environment tend to happen on a geologic time table and not in a short span of 100 or so years?

I haven’t seen the Gore movie. I cannot comment on the content of the movie. But I do find it disturbing that intellegent, educated people can be spun to ignore the obvious. There have been “chicken littles” around for a long time. They used to say (when I was young) that if we continued to develop land in wildlife areas, thousands of species would become extinct… and they were right. They used to say that if we continued to use Chlorofluorocarbons that a big hole would develop in the ozone layer and that skin cancer rates would increase… they were right. They used to say that if we continue to produce carbondioxide that the mean temperature of the earth would increase and that weather patterns would change… so far, they are right.

Is this a good time to ignore the science? Should we give up on a cleaner environment just cause one industry funded scientist says that global warming is hooey?

20 years ago, if you had told me that I would pay a dollar for a 16oz bottle of water, I would have laughed in your face. What are you willing to pay for oxygen? How about food that is not poisoned? Get out your wallet cause big industry is gonna have you pay for all of their pollution. :(

Hey, Mr. Blais, I did not know you were a scientist with an expertise in this area. Dang, I wish I’d listened to you instead of the cumulative voice of thousands in the scientific community.

Ah, well, I guess there will always be morons and fools, Bob. Stupid thing is, you probably have a vote somewhere or other. :)

You got it Dr G…I don’t wee why common sense has gone the way of the dodo bird. If you listen to the right theirs is the only correct solution to all the problems and ditto to the left. Although I feel the left is a more willing to compromise. In a way it’s like either side wants a one political system and that being theirs…Like I tell my kids in history class if you take the right to the extreme you get Hitler and fascism…if you take the left to the extreme you get socialism and neither in its fullest is a very pleasant thought. So lets go get a beer and chuckle at the end of the day…after the debates and have some civility. Unfortunately I don’t believe that can happen anymore. Partly because religion has entered the politcal fray and that is a very unforgiving path…ironic huh?:blues:

If you read some actual science research, you’ll learn that abrupt climate changes have occurred frequently throughout the history of the Earth. None have been because of the influence of man. Second, you might learn that CO2 levels are found to rise AFTER periods of global warming, which debunks the trendy idea that CO2 levels CAUSE global warming. There’s plenty of information out there which doesn’t use the scare tactics or strictly promote the idea that man is causing global warming. Scripps Institution of Oceanography at USCD has some interesting research posted which isn’t quite so alarmist as that which usually makes the headlines.

No… we should not ignore the earths climate and the role of mans activities and potential to foul it up. It just pisses me off to no end that instead of telling the entire story, activists tout the gloom and doom side of things to play some political game. Sadly, scaring the s$%t out of people is the only way to get them to think past their own front yard… so maybe they figure that’s the only viable tactic? Doc, Ksdb and Bubba are all asking the right questions IMO. How do we get the other gazillion people on this heap o’ dirt to do the same?

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If you read some actual science research, you’ll learn that abrupt climate changes have occurred frequently throughout the history of the Earth. None have been because of the influence of man.

Does the mean that man can’t or isn’t causing any current warming? Does it mean we should not try to stop doing stuff that we know WILL cause warning if continued?

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Second, you might learn that CO2 levels are found to rise AFTER periods of global warming, which debunks the trendy idea that CO2 levels CAUSE global warming.

As in the other statement, does that mean that higher CO2 levels can’t or won’t cause warming? Evidence suggests that while CO2 levels do rise after the fact, it doesn’t preclude that higher CO2 can also cause it. They go hand in hand.

The fact is , man hasn’t been around very long in the whole scheme of things, and we are relatively weak physically as a species. We need to keep the atmosphere about the way it is. Maybe we shouldn’t worry about the fact the it could be a natural occurring cycle and bank on the fact that if it is we need to be looking for ways to keep the next great ice age from freezing us to death or heat wave from roasting us.

The holes in the ozone layer and global warming are two completely independent things.

Fact: Our industrial civilization is greatly increasing CO2 emissions.

Fact: CO2 is contributing to global warming.

Sure, you can find “scientists” who say that SUV’s that do 8 miles to the gallon have nothing to do with global warming.

Same as the tobacco companies could produce gobs of “scientists” to testify that tobacco was healthy, prolonged life, and made your dick 3 inches longer.

So now ksdb is a climate expert?

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If you read some actual science research, you’ll learn that abrupt climate changes have occurred frequently throughout the history of the Earth. None have been because of the influence of man.

What a brilliant statement! That’s because man didn’t have the capability to influence until the invention of the internal combusion engine.

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Second, you might learn that CO2 levels are found to rise AFTER periods of global warming, which debunks the trendy idea that CO2 levels CAUSE global warming.

Show us the peer reviewed research. I love your use of the word “trendy”. Again - it tells me alot about you.

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Scripps Institution of Oceanography at USCD has some interesting research posted which isn’t quite so alarmist as that which usually makes the headlines.

Show us the links.

Even the EPA allows that GW exists & that man may be adding to it by increasing CO2 levels.

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The holes in the ozone layer and global warming are two completely independent things


Understood… but both supposedly contribute to global warming and weather pattern changes. I suppose it means that IF we act we CAN make a difference. Personally, I wish we spent a LOT more money on alternative energy research and LESS money on new and better ways to kill each other. That sounds like a good plan to me anyway.

D