Buy Antares Autotune and/or Melodyne.
If you want to play around with recording, then download any toys you want.
But, if you want to take it seriously, then use the best tools you can. Life is too short for second best.
Heard from Flavio last night. He’s working on it.
Mark
Hmmm, slightly off-topic, but would that mean that we could possibly route the metronome midi output to a vst (e.g., sfz)?
…gary
Hmm, good point – I’d never noticed it but you’re right, you can’t do that (trivially).
As a workaround, you can use MIDI Yoke to do that, just run sfz in standalone mode and connect it to a MIDI Yoke channel, and set n-Track’s metronome MIDI output to that same channe.
It would be a lot more convenient if it were a built-in feature, though. This is something I’ve been planning to do, but I just haven’t gotten around to looking for a good drumkit soundfont, and I’m not recording much these days. But when I dig back in, this is a feature I’d use a lot.
you’s probably attract some latency doing that tho’ jeff… from my recollections of trybing that kind of thing I ended up with 250-300ms delay, but that might just be because of my laptop not being the most well built thing ever… 
Graham, who is developing the plug, seems to be a fairly sound guy. His plugs are of good quality, and it’s great that he is open to suggestion on the workings of them.
DSP
That would be audio buffering latency. This kind of thing depends on how to get the softsynth and n-Track to work together in the audio domain, which could be a problem come to think of it. If you have a multi-channel soundcard, just attach the standalone softsynth to an unused soundcard output (which then means you need either a mixer or a soundcard with a mix matrix for monitoring).
I’m not sure what plugin you’re referring to, or how it would help send n-Track’s metronome MIDI output to an instrument plugin.
The next version of n-Track (I hope to release a beta within a couple of weeks) will be compatible with Gsnap, once inserted into an audio track Gsnap will appear among the available MIDI outputs.
Flavio.
Don’t we all love Flavio? Can you call Adobe and get something changed in Audition like that? Especially that quick? Nope. We <3 Flavio!
OK, I love N-track and I’m starting to really like Gsnap, but I’m not as quick as the rest of you here. Once Flavio makes this upgrade, what advantage will having Gsnap available as a MIDI output be? What will that do for you?
Thanks for putting up with my ignorance.
Matt
you can then create a midi file that matches the audio file (you vocals, most likely) you are tuning. You then send the midi to the vst, which the program will now treat like a vsti, though it will be inserted on the audio track like an effect. This will (in theory) give you a very accurately tuned vocal track.
Cool…Thanks!
Matt
Flavio, this is great
I guess it will mean that other VSTFX which accept MIDI will work as well. This is great noos…
DSP
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It certainly is.
Otherwise even the suggestion to get Autotune as given in a “helpful” post earlier on in this thread, would be useless. It too wouldn’t work.
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That is absolutely righteous.
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| The next version of n-Track (I hope to release a beta within a couple of weeks) will be compatible with Gsnap, once inserted into an audio track Gsnap will appear among the available MIDI outputs. Flavio. |
That is good news.
I just hope you can extend this upgrade to give us access to all -audio or midi- in- or outputs that any vst(i) may have.
(Sorry if I keep repeating myself; this is really important to me!).
Edit: Sorry, once is enough.
Another example where gsnap would be useful would be using an FX like Native Instruments B4’s Leslie sim, and control the Leslie speed (or drive, volume, or other controls) using your favorite MIDI controller. This can be more natural than programming parameter automations (if the effect even supports it, and unfortunately many plugins don’t.)
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Jeff, I’m being dense. Can you explain please.
Mark
Hi,
Build 4.1.5 2042, Win XP SP2. I downloaded Gsnap tonight and played with it some. Doesn’t seem to have the niceties that Melodyne has, but what do you want for free!
From a manual standpoint, it’s not like Melodyne where you can shift a section up or down manually and snap it in place, or at least I haven’t figured out how to do that. You CAN specify what notes Gsnap is allowed to play (and not play) with a vertically oriented piano layout… personally, I’d love the piano roll to be laid out horizontally, and a piano roll LONGER than one octave, rather than having to re-orient myself to a vertical piano roll. I’d also love future versions to have sections of a track pertain to a list of playable notes… but I digress.
Haven’t seen a step-by-step list here so I thought I would add one for starters that others could improve on. I admit right up front I am a rookie on VST’s and VSTi’s so I am sure this can be improved upon. I also realize this method may not work in earlier versions.
1. Download and unzip GSnap.zip. Links provided in first post.
2. I created C:\Program Files\FASoft
-Track Studio 4\Vstplugins\GSnap
3. I put a copy GSnap.dll in the above folder. I remember another DLL being mentioned above but I did not have to download it to get this to work.
4. Start up ntrack. In one of the Mixer windows (Master, per track, et cetera) click in the black box where the Effects are listed and the Effects window pops up. Click on the Settings button. Another window pops up.
5. Click on Add and browse to the above mentioned folder. Click Ok. Enable it into the VST list. Click OK to close the Window.
6. Take a vocal track (for example). In that track’s Track Mixer, right click on the Effects window and Add Effect–>GSnap. GSnap SHOULD be in the list and, once selected, should show up in the list of effects for that track.
7. Double click Gsnap in the list of effects and the GSnap window pops up. By default, it’s in Subtle mode. When you click play, and the vocal is being rendered, you will see two renderings: one in red which is your original, and one in green which is the “corrected” version.
8. Play with the settings as they are to see how you can change Gsnap’s responsiveness.
9. Controlling Gsnap et al with MIDI: this was added in Build 2042. Add a new MIDI track to n-track. In the Timeline, right click on the MIDI track# (ie, 10) and then click on Output To and then chose Gsnap from the list. Now Gsnap is supposed to be controlled by the MIDI you created.
That’s as far as I have gotten. I can’t say the MIDI is controlling Gsnap very well. For example, I took a section that had about three or four separate notes sung in the audio, and in the MIDI I made them all the SAME notes… but Gsnap did not respond to this at all. I wouldn’t have even cared if there were artifacts, I just wanted to see if it would do what I told it. Is it the Gsnap settings? Potentially, and I would love input so I can move forward. Anyone?
Paul