First time poster and hello to all,
I have SB Audigy 4 Pro and N-Track
First,
Problem: you record a track “voice”. then you record another track “guitar” what you end up with is both tracks combined, “voice and guitar” on your guitar track when you want each track to be separate. You also want to be able to hear the tracks as well so you can play to them. Under this situation you end up with 2 voices, (one already recored on first track) and and the other combined on the second track, which makes mixing individual tracks virtually impossible as the combined tracks become distorted.
What I have found, ALL SOUND DEVICES including ASIO, except for WDM produce this problem, however when using WDM drivers I’m able to record in stereo and each track after is muted from recording onto successive tracks and I’m able to create drums, vocals, leads and what have you with out each track (stepping on each other during recording.)
The problem is when wave is selected as the recording input, N-track doesn’t mute the recorded track because it’s playing back in wave format and therefore you end up with a combination of the recorded track and your new track as one. Only WDM doesn’t do this. It allows you to record a new track while muting the older tracks from being recorded, yet your still able to hear your individual tracks while you record. This is what it should do at all time, including ASIO or any audio device from the list. This is present in v4 and v5 versions of N-track and only WDM works likes this.
However this creates another problem. All other audio devices listed are impossible to record with as the recorded material is dubbed to all successively recorded tracks. The only thing I can do is mute the tracks but then I’m unable to play my instruments to muted tracks,(might as well be in a cave by myself) which makes it impossible. I can only record in WDM at 16 bit and 48,000hz. If I attempt to record at any higher level such as 24 bit or any higher HZ beyond 48,000hz INSTANT lockup requiring HARD BOOT!!(I have to power off). No soft boot when this puppy locks up.
It would be nice if we had some control over this, like a little button that says, on,off.
I must admit I’m not a pro by any means I might be missing something hear. So lets hear what you all have to say about this. I’m all ears.
PACO
Hi, and welcome…
I got lost about half way through your post but it sounds as if you are experiencing a basic problem that crops up all the time that is related to soundcard settings… specifically your soundcard is set to record the wave output (somes called “What You hear” on the Creative cards) rather than the specific input that your source is connected to.
There is a good section in the manual on this IIRC and search the forum as this comes up a lot.
http://ntrack.com/wiki…_tracks
any help?
I do now the difference about , “what you hear” and the wave out so thats not the issue. However the wiki is interesting, suggesting muting the wave out on playback so it doesn’t re-recored output. I’ll give it a try. I’ll let you know what happens, thanks for the responses.
PACO
Thanks for the responses,
This is really a nightmare. I just wanted to improve the recording quality of my work. As I mentioned in my original post, what is now refereed to as “audio bleeding” is the (my) problem.
From the wiki “”“Some older soundcards don’t allow to disable wave out as a recording and playback source independently. With this cards, if you disable wave out as a recording source it will also be disabled as the playback source, and you won’t be able to hear the old tracks while recording a new track”""
Now my sound does work in WDM mode but only at 48,000hz and 16bit with NO AUDIO BLEEDING (works great). If I try to set any settings higher like 96,000hz or 24 bit, instant crash requiring a hard boot. I can set the MME@96k@24 bit up no problem but it suffers from Audio Bleeding and any ASIO won’t record from wave at all except when I run CMSS 3D and only then one channel is picked up.
Seems to me that my Audigy 4 pro should work better than this. Any suggestion, such as modded WDM drivers or any other help would be great.
PACO
Make sure your soundcard drivers are up to date, if no help you can try the asio4all driver.
Read about it and Find it here;
Asio4all
Yaz
Well…HOLY HELL MARTHA, DON’T SELL THE FARM…I got it working, 24 bit@96,000hz “ASIO” of all things and I would like to thank Yaz for pointing out to me the “Asio4all” site. I can now recored without bleeding at higher rates for better quality. I have reached my goal and it didn’t cost me anything. I was just about to go out and spend some cash, no need to do that now, yew haw 
Thank you all so very much for helping get things worked out and now I can make even better music. I made an album, I’m the only guy in the band (4 years in the making), it’s on the newsgroups, it’s called, The George Stanley Band “Rivers of Hell”. It’s not great but if you like even one song, then I guess I’m doing ok. Again, thank you so much for your help.
PACO
Sweet… glad you got it going Paco. I use the ASIO4ALL with one of my laptops when I travel. It makes a crappy little laptop serviceable.
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Glad it worked Paco, keep on making music!
Yaz 
Also glad to hear it worked out.
I tried that asio4all with XP and it didn’t work for me (with the M-audio Audiophile firewire interface)
The reason I tried it is that after about 15-20 tracks I get pops in the playback if I have too many VST effects going.
I was hoping the Asio4all driver would have helped with that, but alas it did not.
WMD, forget it, so I’m stuck with the ASIO that came with the interface, as long as I freeze the tracks with FX it seems to be fine…still trying to learn how this latest build works. 
keep shinin’
jerm
Hi Jerm, have you tried increasing buffer settings to get rid of the pops and clicks? Small adjustments at a time so to speak.
Yaz
Hi Gents:
What a great thread…
I find it fascinating that some suggestions work for some guys with their computers while other set-ups need-and-don’t respond to same fixes…
I’m not sure exactly how-and-why that is…
(Maybe, to do with different Hardware and Software combinations 
? )
Anyway, I believe that Flavio is working on these types of issues with-in v6 when it becomes available…
Is that correct
Streamlining the strings of Codeing that will make n-Track more productive when Streaming tracks from the Hard drives… And All…??
Bill…
In my case, it’s poor driver support from creative is to blame for my issues. The “ASIO4all” drivers, I noticed right away that there some pop and crackle going on while I was recording from v-stack. I made sure the peak levels were not over peaking in both V-stack and N-Track and the pops and clicks are no longer there. I was going to increase the buffers but this was not needed at least not yet. I also haven’t done enough testing to see just how well the “Asio4all” drivers work.
PACO
Hi Jerm, have you tried increasing buffer settings to get rid of the pops and clicks? Small adjustments at a time so to speak.
Yaz
No I have not.
Thanks for the suggestion though.
I have messed with those settings on other systems in the past and usually did more damage than good so had to revert back to "default" settings....
But I will give it a go on this new puppy and see if her tail wags.
It is something I would like to get resolved since during mixing it puts certain pops in the playback and I can't always tell if they are on the tracks or not until I mix them down....
Well let ya'll know if it did the trick, as I said freezing the tracks with FX helps but it would be nice to not have to always do that.
I would like to use the ASIO4ALL (it was very stable on other systems in the past) but I can't use two different ASIO drivers for the firewire interface, one for recording and one for playback.
keep shinin'
jerm
With my E-Mu soundcard I normally run 5ms asio buffering on initial recording, this keeps latency low so as to not get delays in track alignment,
but on mixdown I run at 50ms to handle plug ins and such. 25-30 tracks with 50+ plug ins.
I was using asio4all until E-Mu released the 2.0 drivers for Vista, their new drivers and firmware have been running smooth here on the new puppy Vista. Maybe it’s just me but I think I remember XP and other OS’s having the same problems when they were birthed (98 included). I did install the SP1 pack for Vista recently (holding my breath as I did so) and cold boots of the PC have gone from taking 5 mins to load to just under 2 mins to load.
Driver updates are the most important for the system to do audio, with the trouble being we are all at the mercy of the developer as to when they release such things.
Yaz
Thanks Yaz,
Yes I did it, “tweeked it ever so slightly” and it worked, I didn’t increase it all that much a notch or two.
No more pops.
I haven’t had a problem with latency or delays during recording so I didn’t mess with that one. The M-audio audiophile firewire seems to hold it’s own with analog to digital conversion, using very little CPU.
keep shinin’
jerm
Cool Jerm, glad it helped. I have to remember when I go from mixing to recording to reset mine.
Have a great day!
Yaz