Hi phoo and Gents:
I can call this and/or what you describe in your reply workarounds to what I do here at times…
But at some point-in-time it begins to clutter up the timeline…
Well…
to some degree…
I’m gonna post a screen shot of this timeline I have showing some of the snare workarounds I’m doing with that Song-and-Track…
AND Yes…
I like to keep the drum tracks on the timeline for as long as I can keep them there…
Kick…Snares…Toms…
Hi-Hat’s
Crashes
Rides
Overheads
and whatever I can keep till the timeline starts to cough…
Well…
This takes a enormous amount of Hard Drive space to keep these .sng files available…
I’ve played with sharing the tracks on different Hard drives to get as many drive pens working as I can manage…
That used to work just fine till Flavio defaulted the Build updates to open in C:/ My Documents/My Music
I remember when that happened…
However, I don’t remember the Version-and-Build…
IT gave me a Heart attack when I discovered that…
When that happened the file location was dropped from the “Configuration List”…
File location is not brought forward anymore… I have to manually go looking for files that I never had to go looking for…
Well…
Something to be “Mindful” about…
When you configure settings in n-Track
Check the Box that says read track even if they are Muted…
Cause that has a Bering on Timeline Latency…
I believe that when you start adding-and-removing tracks from the timelime as you build the project it affects the “Timing-and-Latency” of the tracks on the timeline especially if you have effects on the individual tracks on the timeline(s)…
that you build around the project as it takes shape…
Also, It affects how the tracks are “Streamed” from the Hard Drives as the project develops…
At least for me all of that stuff has some importance…
Hi phoo…
If can get the lead out I’ll zoom in on these snare tracks I have on the timeline…
I have just the snare tracks pointed to a group strip.
but sooner-or-later I’ll include the snare with the rest of the drum kit…
Maybe…
We don’t know yet…
?
Then, I have just the Bass track going to a Group Strip…
I know I have taken the timeline to many a two-track
to listen at what’s there…
But I haven’t been in the Studio for so long now…
I have no idea what it might sound like on the Yorkies…
I know that you know…
If you haven’t got the right sounding snare track you might as well toss the project out in the trash heap…
It takes a lot of work and time to make a nice sounding drum kit/mix… It don’t happen overnight… At least, I’m unable to Do-It…
The same is said for the rest of the Beds…
Bill…
Hi Doc J:
I forgot to to reply to your thread…
I’d be happy with rendering to a Two-Track of the Groups… But If you can render to Two-Track
why not show the group to a “Time-Line” Track?
Having the option for both of them would be Too Good… You may want the “Instance” to happen as many as three times… well… Maybe…
At least more than once… Cause now you can audition the group more than once to hear the difference by muting as-well-as solo’ing the re-rendered group(s)…
Wouldn’t that be great to have that option…
Bill…
in Tracktion, lets say you have 10 tracks, when you click just to the left of a track a panel opens up at the bottom of the screen where all of the tracks available are shown along with the sound options and input options you have previously chosen (all seperate from each other in a TREE formation) - you just click on the destination of your choice and a tick appears - thats it its routed - you can see clearly at a glance everything that happens within a track in thats tracks display, inputs on the left / track /filters (plugins) /pan / vol and output meter all on the same line (in that order)- its simplicity is its beauty -
the BIG problem is with Tracktion unlike N is that you are limited to how many times it can be registered, if it crashs and returns as un-registered then you have to go to the Mackie site to register it again, three times is the max after that you have to buy a new license - when T3 is stable i may cross to their side permanently -
Dr J
slight OT from the direction the thread has gone, but Bill, I wrote a Betabugs plug a couple of years ago called Moneo which allows you to treat each channel as a separate entity, and pan/gain it as required. It also provides LP/HP filtering per channel. Sadly explicit phase change, altho the filtering will affect the phase.
Moneo is available here. You might be interested in PhaseBug as well…
And Mark VH, glad to be of service. I made a variety of presets to highlight some of the things you could do, and some silly ones [eg TicTacToe…]. Tight Buttocks was designed to pull in those wobbly bits and add some focus…
To the adventurous:
Put PanGloss on a bus, set it to ‘Your Highness’, and mute the centres.
Put a tiny delay after it, somewhere between 5 and 20ms, no repeats/feedback.
Route some audio to it, setting the routing to before the channel inserts.
You now have a bit of extra spacey depth to the sound.
Now put another instance of PanGloss on the source track [it will affect the audio after the send to the bus]. On this new instance, bring the highs in toward the centre abit [around 25:75/75:25], and reduce their gain, maybe ~3dB. Maybe bring the middle freqs in a little as well, but not as much [maybe 15:85/85:15].
Press play.
DSP
Hi duncanparsons:
Thanks for your reply on this…
There’s no Off Topic on a thread that discusses plug-ins…
when your comparing Plugs…
I think I have a bunch of BetaBug Plugs downloaded and installed in the VST Folders around this setup… However, when I looked I don’t see them in the VST List of plugs when I open the n-Track Effects folder…
Thanks for the link to the Phase plug…
I’ll go get it and have a peek at it…
I’d be so interested in collaborating with a "Code Writer/Assembly Type of Programmer Person would be a dream of mine…
I’m sure we could launch a series of plugs that might very well set the Digital Audio World on Fire…
Well…
Wouldn’t that be interesting…
We need somebody that knows a few things about Internet Marketing…
and all… not to mention a couple of other types of Cyber R-and-D Specialists…
I’d like to be on my way to the AES East Coast Show this year…
I think it’s in New York…
Is it this weekend?
Anyway, Be there Hob-Knobing with all the BOYS…
See WHAT’s-UP…
and ALL…
We should put a FIRE under Flavio…
Get him going to the AES Shows…
to promote this Multi-Track Editor…
You can be sure some of the other EDITOR Guys will be there…
Bill…
...when I looked I don't see them in the VST List of plugs...
Either move them up into the Vstplugins folder (what I did) or add the path to each plugin to the list of vst search folders.
They are installed in folders of the same name as the plugin within the Betabugs subfolder which is within the Vstplugins folder. I don't think n-Tracks sees that deep.
AND...THANKS!!! Moneo is just what I've been looking for!! It treats a stereo track as two mono tracks, just like I was asking for. The res filter is a nice addition.
I actually remember that one from last year and totally for got about it. Very cool.
Hi phoo:
I’ve got some major effects re-organization to do around these VST and DX Folders on these computers…
More-so, on the Studio Dual-boot machines…
I think it came from lack of pointing the install of all these plugs to their proper drives and folders at install/launch time…
Would it be a wise idea to go into Add/Remove Software in the control panel and uninstall anything to do with n-track and audio utilities and re-install all the audio stuff on these drives…
Or would that be asking for trouble? Something like… If it’s working let it alone…
Bill…
AND...THANKS!!! Moneo is just what I've been looking for!! It treats a stereo track as two mono tracks, just like I was asking for. The res filter is a nice addition.
I actually remember that one from last year and totally for got about it. Very cool.
Glad to be of service ;)
It was written out of the frustration of having a sampler playing some guitar stuff in stereo, running it through SimulAnalog JCM900, and ending up with one amp'ed channel, and one totally dry and I can't alter the panning without resorting to devious means because of the way NTrack handles monoFX.
Put Moneo in the signal path and suddenly I can pan that fx'ed channel centre stage, and I get a bonus of being able to have a pannable parallel dry channel.
It was a case of necessity is the mother of intention
And PanGloss is Moneo on steroids..
@Bill, at some point I'd be up for trying to realise some of your ideas. I have a few other projects that need finishing first [probably several month's work], but I may be open to ideas after that!
DSP
Hi duncanparsons:
Thanks for the reply to my post regarding a collaboration of some ideas on a dynamics plug…
I have lots of patience…
things only happen when they do…
In this day-and-age I have to possess lots on motivation before physically move on anything…
Bill…
HERES one for you to work on - not just Bill (woxnerw) but many other people have soundcards that only run under WIN 98se/ME - (nearly all DAWS now only run under Win2k and XP) or would like to send AUDIO OVER A HOME/STUDIO NETWORK - what i suggest is that you design a plugin that would send the audio from one PC say running WIN 2K/XP to another running 98se/ME and the audio plays through the soundcard on the other PC - this would be very usefull in a studio situation and would enable people like Bill to use what is still by todays standards a VERY GOOD sound card - the plugin would have to recognise the soundcards on the other PC and enable a person to choose what tracks go to the available outputs - there are commercial versions available BUT PRICEY is not the word - if you want a HINT to how it works the download the DEMO of FXteleport - this app lets you run VSTs on another PC across the network - so the audio from a track is sent from one PC to another but it returns back the same way - it should be easy to divert it off to a soundcard -
60% to you for the hard work required 40% to me for the idea -
Dr J
You know gents:
If I could only get a set of drivers that would recognize XP as the Operating System and see the CORE-32 Hardware in ASIO and the CORE-32 in the Audio control Panel (I presume, that’s one-in-the-same)… I’d be so happy… The present drivers for the CORE-32 Hardware are somewhat “Flaky” to install on '98SE… But I’d for-go any of that just to get them to run on XP… Once the drivers are installed on '98SE that do work fine… There are a number of “Patch Updates” involved in the Driver Install FIX that need to be combined to get them to run in '98SE… If that could be merged into one install EXE for XP I’d be Off-and-Running… The Lexicon Hardware would see me through till Microsoft decides not to support XP… Well…
Bill…
AND...THANKS!!!
Moneo is just what I've been looking for!! It treats a stereo track as two mono tracks, just like I was asking for. The res filter is a nice addition.
I actually remember that one from last year and totally for got about it. Very cool.
Glad to be of service ;)
It was written out of the frustration of having a sampler playing some guitar stuff in stereo, running it through SimulAnalog JCM900, and ending up with one amp'ed channel, and one totally dry and I can't alter the panning without resorting to devious means because of the way NTrack handles monoFX.
Put Moneo in the signal path and suddenly I can pan that fx'ed channel centre stage, and I get a bonus of being able to have a pannable parallel dry channel.
It was a case of necessity is the mother of intention
And PanGloss is Moneo on steroids..
@Bill, at some point I'd be up for trying to realise some of your ideas. I have a few other projects that need finishing first [probably several month's work], but I may be open to ideas after that!
DSP
It was written out of the frustration of having a sampler playing some guitar stuff in stereo, running it through SimulAnalog JCM900, and ending up with one amp'ed channel, and one totally dry and I can't alter the panning without resorting to devious means because of the way NTrack handles monoFX.
Put Moneo in the signal path and suddenly I can pan that fx'ed channel centre stage, and I get a bonus of being able to have a pannable parallel dry channel.
It was a case of necessity is the mother of intention
I been known to duplicate the track several times and treat each duplicated track till the several tracks sound "Close" then Send those tracks to a group..
That action uses up Timeline-and-DAW resources BIG Time..
But you do whatever it takes..
Bill..
Bill -
in WIN 98se DOS ruled the roost - with the advent of WIN ME DOS was crippled and relegated to a SHELL - in other words in 98se DOS was used to make all the windows calls - in ME DOS was partially eliminated, although it is still there as COMMAND PROMPT (which is still a part of XP) DOS cannot escape from the shell in is now contsained in - so it can not be used to call a soundcard as the soundcard is outside of the shell - soundcards designed for 98se do not show up in later Windows as there is no available DOS to search for them and they are transparent to later windows programming -
have you tried “ASIO 4 all” on it ? - ASIO drivers bypass Windows totally -
Dr J
Hi Doc J:
This is very weird…
However it works and I wish I knew…
But for example…
When installing the Lexicon card on the '98SE operating, it seems to work this way…
You bot to the Desk…
While the boot process develops a pop-up screen saying a new Hardware is detected…
at which time you direct the Driver Software/Data to a default folder on the Boot Drive…
Then you gotta re-boot the computer and then install as directed, the rest of the Driver’s EXE and updates and plug-ins till you have it what can I say
till it’s all installed…
Re-booting at each file install…
There is NO Automatic EXE Launch as the process completes it’s process…
If you make a mistake you gotta go into the registry and delete as per directions and begin the install process all over again…
I believe that this makes each install a “Custom” process as to the the users choice…
of use…
e.g.
MME drivers are all but useless to me and the way I use this hardware with n-Track…
But the MME Drivers are quite intricate to Directing each track to an analogue strip on your analogue Mixing Desk…
But the latencies are really not usable when Tracking and building a timeline in the middle of a project…
BUT…
Latencies are not important when doing a “Mix Session”…
ONLY…
If you are building a track timeline using MME Drivers you have to factor in a Sample Slide for each additional track that is added onto the timeline…
That depends on what Bit Depth Resolution you record with…
So…
in that regard ASIO drivers factor all that in automatically…
I believe…
ASIO for All doesn’t work if XP doesn’t recognize the CORE-32 Hardware right off the GET-GO…
That would be great if XP did that…
NO-Issues-at-All…
Well…
Maybe…
Bill…
[EDIT]
Not knowing much about Driver install/EXEs… But maybe a DOS Shell assembly of this EXE Driver could be created so an XP Operating System would recognize the Hardware at Boot-Time… Wouldn’t that be interesting… if that’s the way it needs to work… of course… At the moment… XP just doesn’t recognize this hardware as being connected to a PCI Port/Slot…
I’m still waiting for that “talent” plugin to become reality… 
Hi vanclan:
I know vanclan…
Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a reciprocal in the base of your neck to connect to your computer or something like that to trigger visual imagery and memory and all without even having to use monitor speakers and video monitors and keyboards and all…
And then the next step up from that…
to have it wireless…
Well…
just an idea…
Bill…
i use TALENT MASTER, the software comes with a special sensor attached to a 2mtr length of cable, you put your finger in the sensor then plug the other end into the soundcards line in socket - when you click on the Talent Master icon a graduated meter appears which then fills up with the amount of talent you have as measured by the sensor - the meter always shows my TALENT rating to be 100%, but when Talant Master analyze’s my talent it always displays a “skull and crossbones” ? -
Dr J
My machines are getting wise to me…
When I boot them up and before they settle down a pop-up screen appears saying "If you continue coming on here We’ll block you (omit you from the user’s list)…
They know all my keystrokes…
They Firewall me right to death…
or…
just Blue-Screen me…
I know they’ve shut the Back Door…
and Bolted IT…
Bill…