New Original from an Old song

I wrote and recorded this song three years ago, but it had completely different lyrics and music. The only thing that is the same now is the echoing “Tell The World” chorus, everything else is new…

Danny Milligan - Tell The World

I think it’s constomputed DannyRay… I only hears 'bout four seconds?

UJ

Uhhh… okay. Now I get more… Main riff guitar - WAY too hot! Back ‘er off about 2 or 3 dB eh?

I stopped listening after the lead vocal got to rolling. Try Autotune ($$$) or GSnap (free) or Reatune (Reaper)… please? I don’t want to offend… but dayyum… I know the feeling brother. I can’t sing for shat neither.

Tighten up the parts bro!! Hell… nothing is on beat. The ‘bass’ (whatever it is) is wandering all over the place.

Mixed on cans too? Sounds like it. Sometimes ya’ gotta do it though to maintain domestic bliss. :)

Peace!! Party licker!! Yeah, yeah…

UJ

Well, I see this is intended as constructive criticism, so I will address it, so. I used classical mastering limiter on my master track to bring the lower volume parts up, but unfortunately, that brings ALL parts up, and you cannot pick and choose, which is why the lead guitar came in so hot.

I had noticed the disparities in the vocals on the high notes, myself, but unfortunately, because of the key the song was recorded in, I had one or two options: Sing it as is, and really strive to reach the notes, or pitch it down a step or two so I could cleanly make the notes. Pitching down always introduces artifacts into the sound, so I chose to accept slightly off-pitch high notes vs warble and distortion in the main melody.

I don’t care for Auto-tune, if I wanted to sound artificial and computer-like I would simply use AnalogX Vocoder and be done with it. The idea here is not so much to put out a commercial sounding product as to invite input about the value of the project. Is it a good riff? Does the solo work, or is the total mode-change jarring? Do the lyrics make sense or make you scratch your head? I may not be a good singer (I’ll readily admit that) yet my voice is still better than someone like Peter Criss, whom is tone-deaf, or Louis Armstrong who also did not sing in tune but was beloved by MILLIONS.

The bass is difficult for me to hear, through my speakers. I backed the level down on my bass because of other complaints that it was drowning other instruments out (especially when ocmpressing the whole song), and additionally, the bass line is played through a guitar which is then pitched down a full octave. There is some slight latency involved at that point, as well, which can often destroy timings. I think, however, most of the things you take issue with are a result of the final mixing of the song, and had already resolved to remix it and not use the Mastering Limiter on it, so that the levels of each instrument mesh with one another better, and don’t compete as much. Believe me, before I added vocals and mixed it down, the song sounded MUCH better…

Now, for a constructive criticism on my part… if you expect your opinion to be respected, and a person to possibly take your advice, you’ll find that much more likely if you DON’T dumb yourself down with artificial “wigger” speech that offends others and pushes them to close their minds to what you say before you have a chance to say it…

-Danny

That was, in fact, pretty constructive criticism. I entirely dislike auto tune as well, except as an effect or when all else fails. But he’s right about the bass sound - we’re all gonna chip in and buy you a proper bass, Danny! :agree: (The 100 dollar variety, of course!)

Take it for what you think it’s worth Danny. That’s all. :agree:

I’m bored… just having some fun on the webs and checking out the tunes. Don’t mind me… carry on!

UJ

lol, Tom, I will be purchasing another bass in the near future, but thanks, anyways. There are quite a few of my songs that are pitched-down for the bass and it sounds WONDERFUL… this just wasn’t one of them. The easiest solution is to go back in and record a different bass-line.

Going back and listening to the master track without the vocals or Limiter, I can see that the bass needs redoing, FOR SURE, and that the right-side guitar needs A: to have the delay backed off or eliminated, and B: the Slide-ups need to go to the 14th fret position and stay there to fade, not slide back down… and the limiter definitely is screwing with my mixes. I guess I’ll just have to go back to blue-line compressor, it didn’t so ruthlessly crush all my tracks into a tiny package as does Classic Mastering Limiter…

Quote: (dannyraymilligan @ Oct. 25 2010, 7:31 PM)

I think, however, most of the things you take issue with are a result of the final mixing of the song, and had already resolved to remix it and not use the Mastering Limiter on it, so that the levels of each instrument mesh with one another better, and don't compete as much. Believe me, before I added vocals and mixed it down, the song sounded MUCH better....


-Danny

I for one would like to hear the unmastered version.

Mastering is a art in itself which why so few if any pro studios do it (they send it out to specialist in that field) a lot more harm than good can be done with mastering software especially since like everything in the digital realm it is so unforgiving.

Have you tried putting the freeQ presets I spoke of on any of the tracks?

The beat would really benefit from one of them, as would the bass, you can get those two instruments to fit in the mix better that way when you raise the overall volume by mastering, compressing, or whatever method you prefer to get it all gellin they wont be competing with the other instruments, your vocal would benefit from the "lead vocal" setting too, put the back up vocal on the "backup vocal" setting and those two will be in their own space sonically.

As far as the song goes it's got potential, I think the double beat during the verse is awkward in places, simple straight kick there will give the rythm guitar more continuity, (unless you did some kinda riff fill there in between the vocals then it might work) and when you do the build up before the chorus a G&R (sweetchild) punch beat would accent that better, the place the double beat does fit well with the grove is the lead break.

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

I’ve been playing with these for a couple of days and they seem quite good, might be a good substitute in here for the K classics; I can’t quite tell, but I think that they’re made with synthmaker, and I guess some people don’t like that, but…

http://antress.er-webs.com/

Okay, Jeremy, here’s the original Master before I added in any vocals or used Master Limiter on it… Tell The World Master 1

As I listen to it again, the bass being out of synch is much more glaring to me than it was before, and I really start to wonder if the Chorus lyrics fit the section at all, or make it too busy… perhaps an entirely different set of lyrics and subject matter would be suitable for this song. Perhaps I should remove the slide part completely. Perhaps I should hire Eddie Van Halen to play guitar for me, lol!!!

Quote: (Unblown_Jonson @ Oct. 25 2010, 7:48 PM)

Take it for what you think it's worth Danny. That's all.
:agree:

I'm bored... just having some fun on the webs and checking out the tunes. Don't mind me... carry on!

UJ

Okay, UJ, Gotcha.... :)