Is there a way?
I’m trying to find a way I can get the volume automation data after having recording it for a file. In other words I record the mix I want and I want to then be able to save the automation as raw data. So that I can then use this to create a kind of database of them. I realise that n track saves .sng files but I’m guessing its hard to extract from there? This may sound perverse but its linked with a programming project. I don’t mind if its in some kind of formatted data or if there is a way I could feed it into a plugin? Changes in eq settigns wouldn’t go a miss either but priority is volume. This is not really a general audio mixing question I guess but I figured here was a good place to go. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. I realise its a big ask.
I don’t know how you would pull it out of an n-Track .sng file. You might try the same thing with Reaper though. Reaper project files (.rpp) are plain text and easily deciphered.
D
D, i concur -
but this is N so lets start with the minus points -
1… the length of the envelope is relative to the length of track - so unless all of your tracks are exactly the same length the envelope from another track of a different length would be meaningless other than a reference item -
2… if you could get you hands on the raw data and managed to alter it, how are you going to save the data and how are you going to re-introduce it into another track ? there is no provision for this -
try this -
1… open N, insert blank audio track, click on the volume envelope icon, draw envelope -
open track properties, in top box give track a name, save song as VOLUME ENVELOPES.sng -
left click in track to select it, right click in track, copy envelope, insert blank audio track, left click to select new track, right click in new track, paste envelope -
OK - envelopes can be stored in blank audio tracks, blank audio tracks maintain the envelopes when saved in song and re-opened -
volume envelopes can be copied from 1 song and pasted into a wave file in another song - envelopes drawn on wave files can be copied and stored in blank audio track in another song -
envelopes do not appear in song untill volume drawing icon has been selected, so VOLUME ENVELOPES.sng will not display stored envelopes and may look empty when opened untill icon is clicked -
CONS -
you have to rename each track with a reference to the envelope it contains - as tracks have not been rendered thats the only way you can name the track -
after every action the song open has to be saved before performing another action -
Dr J
I hear ya’ Doc. He said it was sort of a programming exercise and knowing the Reaper project file is plain text… I just gave the info.
One thing neat in Reaper that I am not sure of in n-Track… can you copy an envelope or envelopes in n and paste it to another track or tracks? I never tried that it in n because honestly, I never needed it. I have only used it maybe once or twice in Reaper. Just curious…
D
Have to say I’m immensely impressed by the speed in replying here. Has been great thanks. D is correct in saying I don’t really need to reinsert. My use for this is as test data for purely pattern matching purposes. I’m not doing the mixing hence the need for some way to extract it and do analysis based on it. Comparing it with the individual wav files. So assuming I keep the sound files and I get the raw data then I have a comparison point. I will look into reaper as that sounds useful. Docs advise has got me thinking about something I had not thought of but that’s not part of this problem lol.
D - yes easy in N (follow my last post) - (NOTE, above i started with Ns MINUS POINTS and then finished with CONS, untill flavio gets us back on track, positive points are few and far between these days)
re programming exercise - N is super sensitive to any changes made to it (or its associated .dll files) it will automaticall re-install itself to default when re-opened if anything has been altered - OK - so retrieving dats is easy with hex editors or dissassemblers, but unless you know how and where Flavio stores the checksums for every file, adding anything back to N without making specific changes elsewhere will result in auto re-install -
i found this by swoping .dll files from N with a specific setup to another version to see it the other version would then replicate what the other one was set to - auto re-install -
dr J
Just to update and some further thoughts. Tried reaper and that works fine. Including being able to get eq info out fairly easily. Did think though I assume its possible to record a midi controller say into a seperate midi track? So have it control the mixer data in automation mode and also record its movements to a midi track as well. If I had one I would try it. Unfortunately I don’t yet. Anyway again have to say thanks. This is the best response I have got off a forum like this for ages.