Photo shows Ney at meeting he can’t remember

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Picture connects congressman to tribe that was an Abramoff client

I love it - he can’t remember. Too funny!

If it worked for IFP Clinton, why not, eh??

Ah but it isn’t working for Ney. Refresh our memories - when did it work Clinton?

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Ah but it isn't working for Ney. Refresh our memories - when did it work Clinton?

I don't remember. :laugh:

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Refresh our memories - when did it work Clinton?

Q: . . . At any time were you and Monica Lewinsky together alone in the Oval Office?
[videotape shows approximately five-second pause before answer]
WJC: I don’t recall… I typically worked some on the weekends. Sometimes they’d bring me things on the weekends. She – it seems to me she brought things to me once or twice on the weekends. In that case, whatever time she would be in there, drop it off, exchange a few words and go…



Q: Well, have you ever given any gifts to Monica Lewinsky?
WJC: I don’t recall. Do you know what they were?
Q: A hat pin?
WJC: I don’t, I don’t remember. But I certainly, I could have.
Q: A book about Walt Whitman?


WJC: I give – let me just say, I give people a lot of gifts, and when people are around I give a lot of things I have at the White House away, so I could have given her a gift, but I don’t remember a specific gift.


“I don’t remember where this finger has been. Does it smell like tuna??”

You guys are bad! Do you think it’s possible Clinton forgot what he might have given to Lewinsky? I do.

Unfortunately, none of these things he forgot where really the subject of anything he had done wrong, unlike Ney who says he forgets the entire 2 hour meeting with an Indian tribe, the subject is which is part of the actual investigation.

Now if Clinton had denied knowing Monica, then we would be talking apples & apples.

Nice try guys but go back to the drawing board.

PS - that video interrogation of Clinton actually caused his poll ratings to go up. That was dispictable - you right-wingers should be ashamed of yourselves.

If Clinton’s poll went up (pardon the pun) because he couldn’t remember, then you have reinforced my original point.

What’s the matter Brent - can’t you stay on topic. This post is about Abramoff & his buddies. Here’s another good one Texas tribe names Abramoff, Reed in civil suit. Playing one tribe off another. I hope Reed and all his Christian buddies get sewed!

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WASHINGTON - A Texas Native American tribe filed suit Wednesday alleging that ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff, former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed and their associates engaged in fraud and racketeering to shut down the tribe’s casino.

The Alabama-Coushatta tribe, which contributed $50,000 to Jack Abramoff’s non-profit, the Capitol Athletic Foundation (CAF), filed the first civil lawsuit in federal court in the influence peddling scandal, in Austin, Texas.

The lawsuit alleges Abramoff, former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed and their associates engaged in fraud and racketeering to shut down the tribe’s casino and alleges the defendants defrauded the tribe, the people of Texas and the Legislature to benefit another of Abramoff’s clients — the Louisiana Coushatta tribe — and “line their pockets with money.”

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If it worked for IFP Clinton, why not, eh??

What does Clinton have to do with Ney?

Even if you are 100% accurate in accusing Clinton of having a deliberately faulty memory how the heck does that even enter the discussion when talking about Ney’s memory lapse? The one is unconnected to the other; a total non sequitur.

By your reasoning, every president since Nixon could justify any dirty trick because 'If it worked for Tricky Dick, why not, eh?"
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"I don't remember where this finger has been. Does it smell like tuna??"

LOL

I still love old Bill, even though he's a liar.

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If it worked for IFP Clinton, why not, eh??

What does Clinton have to do with Ney?

Even if you are 100% accurate in accusing Clinton of having a deliberately faulty memory how the heck does that even enter the discussion when talking about Ney’s memory lapse? The one is unconnected to the other; a total non sequitur.

By your reasoning, every president since Nixon could justify any dirty trick because 'If it worked for Tricky Dick, why not, eh?"

Bill, this is how these guys work. It’s called misdirection.

Here’s a book that is invaluable to understanding them:

Republican Code Book

I hope this helps! :)

KingFish

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What does Clinton have to do with Ney?

They share a common technique.

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Even if you are 100% accurate in accusing Clinton of having a deliberately faulty memory how the heck does that even enter the discussion when talking about Ney’s memory lapse? The one is unconnected to the other; a total non sequitur.

Well, we don’t know that for sure. Ney may have decided to use the technique because he was inspired by IFP Clinton, who used it a LOT.

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By your reasoning, every president since Nixon could justify any dirty trick because 'If it worked for Tricky Dick, why not, eh?"

Nixon resigned, yet IFP Clinton didn’t seem to learn from that. Had he done the honorable thing chances are good that Algore would still be president.

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Bill, this is how these guys work. It’s called misdirection.

Here’s a book that is invaluable to understanding them:

Republican Code Book

I hope this helps! :)

KingFish

Thanks for providing an example of misdirection. I’m just confused as to whether you approve or disapprove, since your actions contradict your words.

My previous post wasn’t misdirection. I was showing cause and effect.

“Popular” president says he doesn’t remember and gets acquitted > so current politicians follow suit.

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Nixon resigned, yet IFP Clinton didn’t seem to learn from that. Had he done the honorable thing chances are good that Algore would still be president.

Nixon resigned because he had to. He would have been impeached & the Senate would have found him guilty.

I agree about Al Gore, but the case for Clinton’s impeachment was weak & he did the correct thing fighting it IMO. If Clinton had done something like Nixon, or Reagan did with Iran-Contra, I would have wanted him to step down.

But Brent is changing the subject - he does that all the time.

Clinton only avoided being removed from office because a two-thirds majority was required (which the Republicans didn’t have) to vote him out and the Democrats voted party instead of integrity. Many Dems said Clinton deserved to be ousted, but did not vote him out. That’s the day I lost any respect I previously had for that party.

Your statement demonstrates that impeachment is a political thing.

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Many Dems said Clinton deserved to be ousted, but did not vote him out.

Please verify this statement. I want the names of the Senators, links & actual quotes.

There were Republican Senators who didn’t vote for his impeachment. Have you lost respect for the Republican party also?

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Opinion polls throughout the trial illustrated that the public opposed impeaching the president by margins of 65–70%.

So I guess you lost all respect for the public also - correct?
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So I guess you lost all respect for the public also - correct?

yes, my god, YES!

Have you seen the "public?"

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Your statement demonstrates that impeachment is a political thing.

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Many Dems said Clinton deserved to be ousted, but did not vote him out.

Please verify this statement. I want the names of the Senators, links & actual quotes.

No, this time you’re going to need to take my word for it. Archival info from 1999 is hard to find on the Internet. I heard this stuff firsthand at the time. I’ve tried to find old clippings, but it’s not worth the time to go hunt simply because you want to extend the debate.

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There were Republican Senators who didn’t vote for his impeachment. Have you lost respect for the Republican party also?

Five out 55?? No, that doesn’t really indict the party, just a few individuals who had their own opinions. Further it defies the lockstep accusation which more accurately typified Democrats.

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Opinion polls throughout the trial illustrated that the public opposed impeaching the president by margins of 65–70%.

So I guess you lost all respect for the public also - correct?

Yes, to a point, but much of that is based on misinformation fed to them by the LMSM. The American public was misled about the nature of the trial. Of course, if you watch Jay Leno, many Americans couldn’t identify a picture of the vice president from a choice of one, so the opinion polls don’t mean a lot. Didn’t the opinion polls show that people thought OJ was guilty??