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its been in my head for quite a time now RE-AMPING -
if you only have one soundcard you are limited to the sound that it generates, surprisingly different soundcards sound (well) different -
i have Vintage BOSS speakers powered by a Vintage LEAK (british)amplifier, old but still turn heads, now it came unto me one day, why dont you record the output from the amp/speakers back in N and capture that vintage sound -
re-amping the output back into N using the above seems a good idea as it would capture a sound that very few have - but what if ? came to mind, the answer seems to be -
http://www.dv247.com/invt/35536/
this looks the bees knees for re-amping and the price is rather good -
Dr J
I doubt they would post any ‘signal to noise’ specs on an amp like that - but I do like the way you’re thinking. Goes back to the idea of capturing tape sound by re-amping through a deck. I think TomS thought about it and mentioned it. The problem is what you’re hearing is more than the amp. You know that of course. It’s your amp - speakers - walls - furniture - the whole of your room basically. Re-Amping could just be another outboard piece of gear on a mix.
RIGHT ON with the TAPE PW -
if you have an old casette deck that has a monitor output you load the deck with a CHROME tape but set the bias to MATAL, this allows you to go right into the RED to get that old time SATURATION - if you keep the input levels high tape hiss is not a problem -
take the out from your soundcard in deck, out from decks monitor back into N = VINTAGE FOR FREE, (well very nearly)
Dr J
Well this other DAW I kinda heard of once… has a little gadget built-in that is the absolute BEES-KNEES for REA-amping. I wonder what it was called?
Anyway, you insert this plugin on your track see. You set the plugin up to SEND the track output to a physical output or pair if stereo. Now if you wanna do it right, you gotta match that line level, low impedance signal up with a high impedance guitar amp input right? Well all kinds of folks make doo-dads for just that purpose. Passive DI boxes work just as well in reverse as they do forward if you don’t want to buy a job specific box. Get yer levels set. Mic the amp or whatever. Bring that BACK into the aforementioned plugin on physical input(s). Now here’s the cool part, see the little button sez Delay Compensation “Auto Detect”? Of course you don’t… you don’t use this cool little thing. Anyway, click it. Bazinga! The plugin sweeps a signal through your round-trip signal path, calculates and compensates for the latency introduced.
Now if you did it right, your guitar track we just inserted this mystery plugin on was recorded DRY. Now arm the track to “Record Output (latency compensated)” and wash as many passes as you want tweaked through the amp/mic/tape-deck/'63 Chevy 283 distributor cap… whatever. Each pass is kept as a TAKE in the same track. Toggle through them (Ctrl+T) to find the one you like OR play them ALL at the same time! Take the “takes” (Heh) and chop 'em up and comp the pieces together until the sounds you want for your perfect, re-amped guitar track are THERE. Remember, you never left the original track. It’s ALL right there in front of you!
Sound like a great idea? It is! It is a beautiful thing and built right into ‘R’. IF/when n-Track has a decent take management system, Flav could probably make a plug to do the exact same thing.
Oh yeah, got a really sweet hardware 'verb or FX doo-dad you wanna use? Use the mystery plugin, dropped on a track. Now insert SEND’s from your tracks you want 'verbed or FX’ed to it. Slick eh?
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YES D,
but you cant take a plugin out of a box, kiss it all over and worship the name ROLAND - when you can do that with R i will buy it - untill then i will worship at the temple of ROLAND ROLAND ROLAND and share in the grail that only those to only whom hardware is the king and ROLAND are the kings of hardware understand -
PLUGINS - NOT SPOKEN HERE -
Dr J
You’re funny Doc…
Worship what you will. The beauty of this method is you can wash the signal through anything and everything that’s designed (or not) to interface audio and it’s a heckuva lot easier than the “usual” methods. Set it up once and leave the path setup in your patchbay. Use a Track Template and you are setup in two mouse-clicks. Oh wait, n doesn’t have those either. I already put that in the feature request thread…
Roland? I’ve heard of those guys… 
Always wanted a JC-120.
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Quote: (DR Jackrabbit @ Jul. 14 2008, 11:28 AM)
PLUGINS - NOT SPOKEN HERE -
Dr J
Hey what happened to SQUARE wheels and leaving your comfort zone? Check yer EGO at the door and all that?
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of course if was a PLUGINHEAD i would use FREEAMP2 which is FREE with every download of the nations favourite DAW, N Track Studio -
DR J
Like I said, you are a funny, funny man… 
BTW, FreeAmp 3 has been out for months. You should grab it and check it out. Many improvements in there. I haven’t actually made any tracks with it yet, but there are some inspiring tones in there. I’m still busy seeing what kinda noise I can get out of my POD XT Live. I’d rather play through the real deal… [pouting] But they won’t let us have amps on stage at church… [/pouting]
FreeAmp 3
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PS FREEAmp is FREE with the download of FreeAmp…
D - i think this puts everything into perspective on where WE are in the DAW world -
http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/REAC/
EDIROL bought CAKEWALK but it carries the ROLAND name - it wont be long before SONAR links with the whole ROLAND and EDIROL range - world domination methinks - this REAC system is something else, NOT because it is ROLAND, it just is - i tell you if i had this in my studio !!! -
Dr J
Yep. I’ve read a bit about that. Pretty wild stuff… if you can afford it. I’ll have to keep limping along with the poor folks toys.
I don’t know if the Cake/Roland marriage is going to be good for the average recording nut or not. Big conglom-o companies scare me. (Paranoid I guess… I work for a semi-conglom-o and I know THEY scare me!)
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you won that round D with freeamp 3 - add 10 points to your score -
Dr J
i don’t really care for the look of freeamp 3 - I like to see all the boxes in front of me.
Is it capable of showing all the boxes? I dumped on the first look.
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they won’t let us have amps on stage at church…
I’ll send you a pic of our church stage - then you can really pout!
FreeAmp 3 is great!
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i don't really care for the look of freeamp 3 - I like to see all the boxes in front of me.
Is it capable of showing all the boxes?
Not sure what you mean PW? You can have "Rack View" OR "Pedal View" but not both. Is that what you mean?
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PS Personally, I like a nice rack.
I like seeing each pedal for on the spot tweaking.
Gotcha, you can display the three pedal “slots” at once and that’s it as far as I can tell.
That’s also the thing I hate about my POD XT Live… sudden, on the fly, in the heat of battle tweak? NOPE. NEVER happen…
"Lesseee… push here… scroll there… push twice while rubbing belly in a counter-clockwise motion… RATS! COUNTER-CLOCKWISE??? Geez gotta start over…"
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Quote: (DR Jackrabbit @ Jul. 14 2008, 1:56 PM)
you won that round D with freeamp 3 - add 10 points to your score -
Dr J
LOL...
It ain't a contest Doc... all in good fun.
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