What’s the easiest peasiest way to replace bad sounding live recorded drums with midi without a plugin?
Are any of the plugins for it worth having? The free ones that is.
Someone help an old fart learn new tricks.
N’s jazz kit sounds garbage when you do the patterns, but record hi hat, snare and kick etc. seperately…space them out a little…add some top end and I think they sound pretty darn good…
Can you follow a live performance with midi though? Surely the live timing will be out?
Or would you need to record, say snare and copy it/paste it to each corresponding bump in the waveform?
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Hi Poppa Willis:
It’s my opinion that many of the producers in the Gospel and Country Music are using Drumagog for the Tracks they end up with… When Tracking they don’t care what the “Drum Hits” sound like… In the end they replace the Hits with “Samples”… As long as the Hit’s are in the right place The sample replacement is where they spend most of their energy, working on finding the right samples to replace all them “Stick Hits”…
That’s what I think…
I thought I was gonna Master the Drumagog Application/Utility…
NOPE… 
Yea, gotta be a DRUMMER… Like phoo…
Bill…
I’ve never even attempted drum replacement in n-Track PW. That “other” program does it slicker than owl snot. Almost everything is built-in except the samples you wanna use. Another user has written a plugin in 'R’s scripting language that does a beautiful job of drum replacement. Unfortunately, it won’t run outside of ‘R’.
I suppose you Googled about for a free/cheap alternative to Drumagogg?
D
STOOPID BOARD!!! Won’t let me edit posts… grrr…
Anyway… Poppa, have a look at KTDrumTrigger. Early on in the development of ‘R’ I used a couple of tricks along with this plugin to do drum replacement. It detects hits and velocities rather well.
Check it out…
D
Wow didn’t even know such programmes existed!!!
Can’t even delete my original post now ggrr…
Drumagog won’t load because of Vista - not a possibility there - I’d buy it but my hid from my wife money went to the Line 6 I’m waiting on.
I’ll try the ones I found on my net search.
follow this PATH - drive on which N V6 is installed if default should be C:\program files \ FA soft \ n track V6 \ VST Plugins \ n track drums \ library — open acoustic set - import ALL the samples into N (eack will be on a different track - drag them to one track - CLONE TRACK a few times to give you plenty of samples
you can now drag, say the KICK DRUM SAMPLE OVER a faulty kick drum beat on the duff drum track - N will play the new sample muting what is beneath it -
if using V6 and dont like auto grossfade - click in crossfade green X and popup will open
- CROSSFADE - NONE -
you can replace any part of a track with a
sample this way -
and there are GAZILIMILLIONS of quality free drum samples out there -
Dr J
I knew I could count on you Doc Wabbit! I was looking for the n samples just now - thought I’d try them - great minds!
I’m sure that a lot of these producers are using Pro Tools and Steinberg and Mac computers and all…
Too bad they aren’t aware that n-Track does the same thing…
I’m serious…
You just need to get it working on the right combination of Computer Hardware and Windows-and-n-Track will do just fine…
For those guys that have Turn-Key Setups…
They still have to return to the BOX to process some edits and all…
Doc J and his setup…
along with Win2K is steaming along just fine…
I can see the smoke coming from his funnels from here…
AND…
He’s got all that RME (HIGH PRICED) Hardware…
We got to get him to post some photos of his setup…
It would be worth seeing…
Sometime, in the fall and when v6 gets organized, we should start up a “Studio Photo Thread” and see what every bodies Studio Setup looks like…
HEY…
WHAT…
?
Bill…
NOOOO… that’s too freakin’ SLOOOOWWWW…
It ain’t that hard… let’s say we want to replace the kick drum track. (Bear in mind I have never done the following in n-Track! Dose of salt here… but it should work.)
1 - Grab KTDrumTrigger and drop it on the kick drum track.
2 - Dial in KT until it triggers like you want.
3 - Drop a blank MIDI track in the project.
4 - Record the MIDI output from KT. (This may be a problem with n… ?)
5 - Drop your fav sample player on the just recorded MIDI track.
6 - Load your kick drum sample. Tweak to suit.
7 - Render. DONE.
8 - Submit to record company.
9 - Collect millions in royalties and publishing rights.
10 - Buy Caribbean Island.
11 - Live happily ever after…
It worked for me!
D
PS Except for the collect millions part… sigh
PPS It will probably be a bit tricky first time around but by the time I got to the third song of my sons EP, I was replacing drums like nobodies bid-ness in minutes versus hours the hard way.
Can I add…
Let’s say you have a machine that is short on DSP/Horsepower/and is slow…
like a P-1
or Pentium 60-or-So… I had one of them…
So, you don’t have the resources on your BOX, to run 40 tracks at one time…
I’ve done this on earlier P-11-and-P-111 machines before I had this ASUS CUSL2C machine…
Why not remove or halt, the time line right there and. start another time line with just the Track(s) you want to EDIT…
After EDITING re-import the updated (renamed) track(s) back into the original time line that you set up just to MIX with…
IN
with the updated/Edited Tracks…
OR…
Redo/re-edit (outside the time line) till it works and sounds the way you hear it…
Will this KT Drum Trigger Utility work with only 1-2 tracks O.K. ? on your setup?
Bill…
D- It’s already done using the Doc Wabbitt replacement method. You want me to delete the track and try your way?
I was able to match the drum with clean wav samples for about three bars - then I mixed down just those samples. Brought the new wav back in - cloned it - time and again. - points where it ‘strayed’ tempo wise I just cut out a small section and moved it to match. Piece 'o cheese - how long did it take me?
only problem using NTD samples is that they cannot be KEY CHANGED - which will TIME change the sound, plays faster or slower- so easy to humanise track -
Dr J
re: DIO
Quote:
That “other” program does it slicker than owl snot
'OLW SNOT’
My baby left town
And me all alone
I thought I’d order dinner
on the telephone
The man arrived
The food was hot
I said ‘Hey mister
You forgot the OWL SNOT’
…
to be continued
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Jul. 07 2008, 7:06 PM)
re: DIO
Quote:
That "other" program does it slicker than owl snot
'OLW SNOT'
My baby left town
And me all alone
I thought I'd order dinner
on the telephone
The man arrived
The food was hot
I said 'Hey mister
You forgot the OWL SNOT'
...
to be continued
LOL... I can't wait!
D
Quote: (Poppa Willis @ Jul. 07 2008, 4:49 PM)
D- It's already done using the Doc Wabbitt replacement method. You want me to delete the track and try your way?
I was able to match the drum with clean wav samples for about three bars - then I mixed down just those samples. Brought the new wav back in - cloned it - time and again. - points where it 'strayed' tempo wise I just cut out a small section and moved it to match. Piece 'o cheese - how long did it take me?
Yep. Delete it all and start over. Some people have to learn the hard way.
Nah... hey whatever works PW. Run whatcha brung. The case I had every song was 6 to 8 minutes long and chock full of double-kick madness with all kinds of (intentional and unintentional) tempo changes. The plugin deal and sample player worked great in just a few minutes.
Now... have you deleted it all yet?
D
PS I tried this on my laptop just before I left work. n-Track V6 and KTDrumTrig on a tapped into the built-in mic "rhythm" track. n crashed... I'll play around some more and see if I can make it work.
Wait no more -
'OLW SNOT continued’
I finished my meal
and jumped in the car
Took myself over to
the GET DOWN bar
I saw a girl
And she looked hot
I whispered 'Hey baby
Want to taste my OWL SNOT
Okay! One more verse then gimme a chorus… you may be onto something here. At least until the PETA-heads hear about it…
D - confirmed abuser of White Spotted Owl Snot