Revised Song For Review....

All:

I posted my latest version of “I Can See You My Savior”
here

The New song is “I Can See You MY Savior II,” and you can compare it to the original posting - as it is still there (listed as “I Can See You My Savior”).

I took all your suggestions to heart, and then basically overdubbed everything…, and outsourced the vocals ( I can sing these though, and will overdub them when the time is right).

Please give the song a listen, and let me know what you think. I think it is much improved from my first post, but I’m sure you’ll hear things that I have overlooked.

I think it is still a project from a “mixdown” perspective, but I’m really hopefull that all the parts are there in a form that makes the song a legitimate musical statement.

The referenced outsourced vocals are courtesy of Doc. Miller. N-Tracker Ian Broughs also did vocals, and I want to post them and see which version you like better (because it is a dead heat in my mind), but I haven’t received his vocal master, and have made major modifications to the track since he sang it.

Please pick it over it with a fine tooth comb, as your honest assessment translates into improvement for me.

All the best,
Iplan
"Practicing for Heaven"

Sounds good…
How about a little less reverb on the vox and a little more ambience for the gtr. Maybe pan the ambience to the opposite side of the dry gtr. To me the vox just sounds a little too seperated from the music with that much reverb on it.
J

[QUOTE]Maybe pan the ambience to the opposite side of the dry gtr.[QUOTE]

Clearly demonstrating how much of a newbie I am…"How do you do this?"

For that matter, how do you get the “quote button” to work?

Jeromee is spot on! You need to cut back the reverb on the vox. The mix should give the impression of a band, at the moment you have the vocalist divorced from the rest of the band a little. Play around with the reverb settings a little or try a couple of the n-Track presets until the positioning of the singer feels right.

Apart from that it’s much improved, the vox are fine. Play around with the mix and you will get there,
Cheers,
Ian

Much improvement! What Jeromee and Bruffie a re saying is true. Best rule of thumb I can think of is to start the mixdown completely dry, no effects. Make sure and recorde everything dry too, no effects. Then when the mix is starting to sound real great to you with no effects, you start adding effects a little at a time, you’ll even find that sometimes it sounds better without them. Much improvement over first version, you’re getting there! Keep on plugging at it and remember, ‘Ain’t this fun!’ :D

Coool IPlan, that has come a long way since the first time! I like. No specific advice for you other than to keep on tracking and you’ll get better and better each time. When you mix you might want to find a commercial CD track has a similar sound to what you want to acheive, and go back and listen to it sometimes during the production. Then just play around and try to get closer to that sound.

Nice work bro.

What do you guys think of the “Chugging” dry rhythm guitar (beginning at 1:00, and carrying forward)?

I think it adds to bass rhythm and increases the “vibe” of the song over the straight ahead rhythm guitar part in the first version, but I wanted some other opinions before I made the change.


(Iplan @ Jun. 29 2007,08:37)
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What do you guys think of the "Chugging" dry rhythm guitar (beginning at 1:00, and carrying forward)?

Good!!
How about dry vocals at the start and add some reverb towards the end?
Use the aux send on the gtr panned left, bring up your send to a room reverb in the aux fx and on the gtr channel pan the aux send to the right. Should sound cool.
J

Guys:

Okay… I’ve spent the whole day working on the suggestions you made.

"…Savior III" is http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=704632[/URL]

Changes made:
1. Pulled back vocals…
2. Reduced vocal reverb (the signal he sent was wet, so it still has some in there - even though it is a dry signal from NTrack’s standpoint).
3. added reverb to the opposite side of the “chugging guitar” using the aux signal. This is a cool trick, and wasted about 3 hours w/ Free Amp in the Aux slot, to split the signal, and the results were amazing, and as much as I want this song to rock, it really made the vocals seem out of place by a few decades, and kind of eliminated neat buildup structure part of the song.

Tell me what you think, and answer this question:

The kick drum is supposed to start on the last note of the guitar appregio - and has until last night. I have checked and rechecked the piano roll, and it does it perfectly when I listen to the drums and intro guitar solo. That said, when I mix it down, the kick is always a beat behind the last note of the appregio… Anyone know why?

Corrected Link to song:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=704632