amp sims

or whatever

So, there’s the friend of mine from high school 30 years ago, I bought my first guitar from him, he had this band called “Anthem” and I’ve been writing songs for the fun of it that might have been songs that Anthem did, and today I did two quick things in that mode to test those amp sims, and here they are, just remember I’m not at all serious in this case:

http://cookiefinger.bandcamp.com/track/the-skullinator

and

http://cookiefinger.bandcamp.com/track/pound-it-johnny

Great fun Love it.

Your mind facsinates me Tom, you daydream about how songs would sound if you were writting them 30 years ago for a band your friend had, wheras most men would daydream about washing the car with a couple of pornstars! I’m very impressed with you!

I thougt the guitars sounded a lot like when i try to use those amp sims- all harsh & ugly treble distortion (though not as bad as when i try it). they spoilt the first song but seemed to work much better in the 2nd one which really did sound like it was 30 odd years old! i liked that one. wasnt sure what the title meant?, maybe i’ll leave you on your own with that!

Tina

I have this feeling that TomS is not a huge fan of these amp sims…


If I could describe what I hear in my best Bluenose, I’d say …
You have your amp sitting on a shipping pallet/skid, with that shipping plastic wrapped around your amp…
The first song…
the amp has five layers/turns around the amp…
the second song has ten layers/turns wrapped around the amp…


That’s not a bad sound to have , if that’s what you want the guitar track(s) to sound like…
However, the “EDGE” in the sound is not breaking through the “Plastic Wrap”…


Could that sound be an Amp Sim setting ????
Great Guitar Playing, TomS…



Bill…

I hear exactly what you two here, harsh distortion. Not tubes! Not even diodes! But I’ve never been able to make digital recordings sound as good as I did with tape. Not that I have good ears, like, e.g., Bubba or Poppa. And it is so much cheaper and easier to record this way, but I just never made the jump very well. It’s odd to run smack into one’s own limitations like that. :)

Tina, I hate washing cars and I am an ardent feminist. “Pound it” means the drums. Whadja think it meant?

Iron Oxide coating on plastic seems to undress square waves in a way that can’t be created with A/D and D/A conversion…
It don’t matter how you “Plug-it or Unplug-it”…
It’s something like comparing the latest-greatest Transistor Amp to a Fender Baldfaced Deluxe Reverb Amp, or a Vox AC-30 Amp…
They all have their places…
:p



Bill…

I wish I could put my mics a few feet from my amp and record that way, but 2 problems: it would be loud and family doesn’t always like that, and my amps are in a basement that sounds like a basement.

Cool! Can you ‘plug-in’ around the house?

Only when the kids are gone, and they are never gone.

Pllplplphh!!!
I imagined a sound-proof cellar with rig - mic’d and networked :heart-break:

well, I don’t think I could ever set that up anyway…

Quote: (TomS @ Oct. 23 2010, 9:03 AM)

I hear exactly what you two here, harsh distortion.
Not tubes!
Not even diodes!
But I've never been able to make digital recordings sound as good as I did with tape.
Not that I have good ears, like, e.g., Bubba or Poppa.
And it is so much cheaper and easier to record this way, but I just never made the jump very well.
It's odd to run smack into one's own limitations like that.
:)

Just a thought here Tom.....

with all this talk of re-amping something occurred to me remembering something a read a ways back....

It involved re-amping using hardware which got me thinking.....

I am not real sure on an physical amp when the distortion or other FX is introduced in the chain (pre or post overdrive) whether you are using the FX loop or plugging them inbetween the guitar and the amp, but I'm assuming depending which you are going to get different results...

which got me to remembering a methods guys were using to warm up their digital midi tracks by sending the signal out of the computer into an API than resampling back in.

Do you mind trying that with your 610 and letting us know how it comes out?

I'm talking using a direct D/I solid state with no flavor whatsoever, getting that guitar signal as hot and clean as you can to the converters then sending that through one of these soft sims, then re-amping that back out the computer through the 610 with a lot of overdrive (I know it's not a tube AMP) but I know you can push that signal near distortion or with maximum warmth it will provide if you try, putting like maybe a compressor/limiter on the other end to avoid clipping? (that's done with vocals sometimes to get the hottest signal to the converters without clipping on the louder parts)

Anyway my thinking is this, that the TUBE warmth will be added sonically to the already flat but distorted sim sound and you may achieve the desired overdriven but warm harmonics only a tube can provide?


What cha tink?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

Oh and then there is the second possibility, add the sim distortion to the clean hot guitar track then re-amp through the Tube preamp THEN into the sim cab?

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

The 610 doesn’t do the sound you are thinking of, when pushed. Perhaps it would with the proper cab sim or eq or something, but I gotta tell ya, I probably won’t have time to try that experiment for a while. I only get a few minutes to play here and there. But I do make the most of it! :agree: Anyway, I will try to get to it and let you know.

I’m not suggesting it does Tom, but it is a tube so in theory it should add whatever warmth it can if put in the right part of the signal chain (in this case at the end instead of the beginning)

IF we were recording a live guitar through an amp in the studio we would do the same thing, put the tube preamp at the end of the signal,(or and API Solid state to give it punch) be it a mic off the speaker or a direct out off the amp…just trying to give the sim a fair shot here, and alot of the sound in a recording is shaped by how it is captured and then processed after the amp.

Let us know how it comes out!

keep shinin

jerm :cool:

True, but a preamp like this is designed for a different purpose than a guitar preamp. I dunno about the details, but…well, I will try it!