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No bets,
if you are that confident why wait for May 21st? just give me most of your money NOW!!! (keeping only what you need to get by till then)
Oh wait…you aren’t REALLY that confident…are ya!
dontcare
Hmmmm. I thought it was supposed to have been earlier this month? But anyway:
Matt 24, NIV
Quote:
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,but only the Father.
Ho hum.
hmm…
Often wondered about “that day and hour” does it really matter to those whom are already dead?
one might argue it’s already “that day and hour” for them
(tag you’re it no touch backs)
everyone dies eventually, so “that day and hour” as this abstract time in a single unknown surreal moment or a particular time seems to be less relevant.
dontcare
Quote: (dontcare @ Mar. 29 2011, 2:46 PM)
hmm..
Often wondered about "that day and hour" does it really matter to those whom are already dead?
one might argue it's already "that day and hour" for them
(tag you're it no touch backs)everyone dies eventually, so "that day and hour" as this abstract time in a single unknown surreal moment or a particular time seems to be less relevant.
dontcare
Errrm, doesn't seem that complicated to me:
The disciples ask for a sign of Jesus's coming and the ends of the age.
He then tells them all about the signs (earthquakes, famine, nations rising against nation, persecution) and the "gathering of the elect".
Then He says that bit about know one knows the day and hour.
After that He then says that He will come at a time when no one expects.
Then He says mentions that some will be "left behind" and that we should stay vigilant.
Well, apparently you aren’t one of “God’s people” as explained by Tom Holt, PA
"Although some “kooks” have set dates for the 2nd Coming - often guided by [false] voices or visions, godly Bible teachers, like Martin Luther and Sir Isaac Newton, etc. knew that the actual text of Scripture displays the date of the End. And they knew that the Bible does NOT suggest that God’s people cannot know this date of the End. If you read Matthew 24:36 and read the connected v. 37, you’ll see clearly that Jesus is teaching that God’s people [just like Noah knew the date of the Flood as you can see in Genesis 6 and 7], WILL know the date of the End. Furthermore, this is sharply taught specifically in I Thes 5:1-11, that is, that those facing eternal death will NOT know the date of the End, and will be caught unawares by “The Thief In The Night”, BUT, God’s true people will assuredly know this date. This is displayed in several other Scriptures, one of many is in Rev 3:3–showing that God’s people will be “watching” for, and will indeed know that Hour…"
Source: http://embeddedworks.com/ChristReturns/
Anyway, if any of “God’s true people” want some additional funds to print bumper stickers or rent billboards I figure I can probably accommodate about 100, maybe more if I dip into my line of credit.
Oh, and as to the Hour? 6:00 PM. (I assume that’s California Time.)
Quote: (Mark A @ Mar. 28 2011, 8:15 PM)
Quote: (dontcare @ Mar. 29 2011, 2:46 PM)
hmm..
Often wondered about "that day and hour" does it really matter to those whom are already dead?
one might argue it's already "that day and hour" for them
(tag you're it no touch backs)everyone dies eventually, so "that day and hour" as this abstract time in a single unknown surreal moment or a particular time seems to be less relevant.
dontcare
Errrm, doesn't seem that complicated to me:
The disciples ask for a sign of Jesus's coming and the ends of the age.
He then tells them all about the signs (earthquakes, famine, nations rising against nation, persecution) and the "gathering of the elect".
Then He says that bit about know one knows the day and hour.
After that He then says that He will come at a time when no one expects.
Then He says mentions that some will be "left behind" and that we should stay vigilant.
we had a pretty good debate (or at the least a friendly discussion) about that a couple years ago here....Bill, I believed you weighed in on that one....
Anyway the argument was made that all these things did come to pass in those disciples life times, and the end of that age.
The logic I believe was that He was able to tell them what the signs would be and what to look for as the time approached because they would see them all on their lifetimes.
If that's the case than it already happened and mankind is in the lul time period thousand years of this and that before the big judgement....
dontcare
Quote: (dontcare @ Mar. 28 2011, 10:45 PM)
we had a pretty good debate (or at the least a friendly discussion) about that a couple years ago here....Bill, I believed you weighed in on that one....
Anyway the argument was made that all these things did come to pass in those disciples life times, and the end of that age.
The logic I believe was that He was able to tell them what the signs would be and what to look for as the time approached because they would see them all on their lifetimes.
If that's the case than it already happened and mankind is in the lul time period thousand years of this and that before the big judgement....
dontcare
Yup, the starting point of the critical analysis that I wrote of the Gospels was that Jesus wasn't a liar and when He said His return would be within one generation, He meant it. Which makes one look at 70 AD, the Fall of Jerusalem and the testimony of Josephus in the War Of The Jews.
I tend to agree, Jesus not a liar, the only logical step to take there is to ananlyze the text for other possibilities.
don’t know if it is relevant but there are native American legends as well of a man in white linen coming from the sky…
Matt 24:30
I mean if someones contention with the idea is that “every eye shall see” that’s pretty much covered…then there is “those who pierced him” that shall also see: Rev 1:7…but I digress… 
dontcare
A man in white linen?
Was he as cold as the clay? Was this anywhere near Laredo? Did someone bang a drum, slowly?
(Sorry, just couldn’t resist.)
Anyway, I’m not too sure what other possibilities the text provides; it either means what it says or it doesn’t mean what it says. Frankly, I find it a little tiresome the way some scholars treat Jesus as if He was an advertising copywriter, saying things that are technically true but misleading nonetheless. It is usually just a method for advancing the scholar’s own preconceived belief system rather than a sincere analysis.
Quote: (BillClarke @ Mar. 29 2011, 7:57 AM)
Anyway, I'm not too sure what other possibilities the text provides; it either means what it says or it doesn't mean what it says.
that would be the "other possibility" that it DOES mean what it says, that's the possibility often ignored or cast aside for other ones...
dontcare
Ahhh… agreed.
I searched the internet and this must be the saviour because the internet says so.
Can’t argue with that, if that’s what the internet says.
Yeah. I search for ‘A man in white linen’ and this if what I got. There were others but none seemed, well, you know saviour-like.
Look! My birthday is May 21st…should I be celebrating the night before?
I got a feeling that whole week is going to be an excuse to party for some people!
dontcare
Quote: (Willy Eckerslike @ Mar. 30 2011, 2:48 PM)
Look! My birthday is May 21st......should I be celebrating the night before?
I suggest starting the week before.
No need to take chances.