Arguing with Liberals, and Why I've Stopped

-words of wisdom (not mine)

Cut-n-paste words of wisdom from an unlikely source:

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Arguing with Liberals, and Why I’ve Stopped

Every time I argue with a Liberal, I’m reminded of quarrels I used to have with my parents. The battles never seemed fair because my folks decided what the rules were and what was out of bounds. In addition, because they were parents, they could threaten me in ways I couldn’t threaten them, and they could say things I could never say.

Recently, for example, I was discussing the United Sates Supreme Court with on of my many Liberal friends out in Los Angeles when she said, without any discernable embarrassment, that Justice Anton Scalia was “worse than Hitler”. Realizing she wasn’t alive during World War II and perhaps she may have been absent on those days when her schoolmates were studying Nazism, I reminded her of some of Hitler’s more egregious crimes against humanity, suggesting she may have overstated the case. She had not; Scalia was worse. As I often did when my parents threatened to send me to my room, I let the conversation die.

Aside from being rhetorically hysterical—and demeaning to the memory of those who suffered so terribly as a result of Hitler and the Nazis—it served to remind me of how difficult it is to have serious discussions about politics or social issues with committed members of the Left. They tend to do things like accusing members of the Right of sowing the seeds of hatred while, at the same time, comparing them to mass murderers. And they do this while completely missing the irony.

The moral superiority they bring to the table allows them to alter the playing field and the rules in their favor. They can say and do things the other side can’t because, after all, they have the greater good on their side. If a Conservative—one of the bad guys—complains about the content of music, films or television shows aimed at children, he is being a prude who wants to tell other people what to read or listen to or watch; he is a censor determined to legislate morality. If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this “hate speech” or “politically incorrect” speech. (Of course, they—being the good guys—will decide exactly what that is.)

Protests about Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor and self-proclaimed Native American, who, among other things, likened some Sept. 11 victims to Adolf Eichmann (there go those pesky Nazis again), were characterized by much of the Left as an effort to stifle academic freedom. But, when Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers’ job is put in jeopardy over a caveat-filled musing about science and gender, it’s okay, because what he said was sooo wrong (even if it has to be mis-characterized to make the point).

When Liberals want to legislate what you’re allowed to drive or what you should eat or how much support you can give to a political candidate or what you can or can’t say, they are doing it for altruistic reasons. The excesses of the Left are to be excused because these folks operate from the higher moral ground and the benefit of the greater wisdom and intelligence gained from that perspective.

In a different West Coast conversation, I complained to another Liberal friend about some of the Left’s tone concerning the 2004 elections. I thought it insulting to hear those “red state” voters caricatured as red-necked rubes. My friend asked, “Well, don’t you think that people who live in large urban areas, who travel and read and speak other languages are better able to make informed choices?” It turns out it is superiority, not familiarity, which breeds contempt.

The rhetoric has become so super-heated that, sadly, I find myself having fewer and fewer political discussions these days. And while I miss the spirited give-and-take, when Supreme Court Justices become worse than Hitler and when those who vote a certain way do so because they’re idiots, it’s time to talk about the weather.

-Pat Sajak


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Funny I have the same feeling with discussing/arguing with so-called “conservatives” these days.

PS - Ward Churchill is an idiot. The right-wing press have completely overblown this guy & have attempted to make him a spokesman for liberals, which he is NOT.

It happens when either one is unwilling to bother listening to anyone because they know it all already. It’s the height of ignorance and arrogance and the state of normal politics and discussions these days. It’s why I have no party affiliations.

John,

It is always good to hold up extremists as the norm of a political party. Maybe it would be a good idea to quote Pat Robertson as a mainstream conservative.

As far as it being an unlikely source, it is a well known fact that Pat Sajak is an outspoken conservative well versed in bashing what he considers “Liberal”. So the source is not all that “unlikely”. I would say that it is more that you were just “unaware” of these facts.

Mike

Quote (phoo @ April 15 2005,14:02)
It happens when either one is unwilling to bother listening to anyone because they know it all already. It's the height of ignorance and arrogance and the state of normal politics and discussions these days. It's why I have no party affiliations.

Experly stated phoo.... and very true.

TG -- No party affiliations either.. they both suck!

PS I dig the avatar!

DrGuitar - you have it right. Just look to see who has published the Sajak article and you’ll see it’s the the same ultra right-wing, hate monger publications that publish Ann Coulter’s vile rubbish.

The fact is that there are very few “liberals” left that have any sort of power, or affect anything at all. But the right-wing continues to attack some perceived enemy that barely even exists.

The rhetoric has become over-heated because of the right-wing. We liberals have just been left to respond to the crap. That’s what Air America is all about - counteracting all the lies & crap of Rush Limbaugh.

Quote (DrGuitar @ April 15 2005,14:10)

It is always good to hold up extremists as the norm of a political party. Maybe it would be a good idea to quote Pat Robertson as a mainstream conservative.


Are you saying that your example hasn't happened before??

As far as it being an unlikely source, it is a well known fact that Pat Sajak is an outspoken conservative well versed in bashing what he considers "Liberal". So the source is not all that "unlikely". I would say that it is more that you were just "unaware" of these facts.


This is the first time I've ever heard of Pat Sajak being vocal about anything besides Vanna White's dress. I was very surprised to see his name at the bottom of the essay that John posted. Just goes to show that what you might think is common knowledge ain't.
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Just look to see who has published the Sajak article and you'll see it's the the same ultra right-wing, hate monger publications that publish Ann Coulter's vile rubbish.
That's what Air America is all about - counteracting all the lies & crap of Rush Limbaugh.

If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this “hate speech” or “politically incorrect” speech. (Of course, they—being the good guys—will decide exactly what that is.)


Toker, seems you just proved his point, in my opinion...it's hate-monger, vile rubbish, lies and crap because YOU say so? That's right, the left gets to decide exactly what that is...

oh, ok..now I am convinced!

I just don’t argue with those who are full of it no matter where they lay. (Okay, at least I try to limit it.) AKA, what TG and Phoo said. :)

Am jumping on band wagon with phoo, TG, and Mr. Bubba. Have been Dem for years but am getting embaressed by all the crap being slung by both sides. No affiliation, just a fed up American now! Hey all you Dems and Repub’s, SHADDUP AND PLAY YER GUITARS! :D

i can’t play guitar

Kazoos?

Quote (clark_griswold @ April 15 2005,16:38)
i can't play guitar

Air guitar is acceptable. I believe air guitar is PC? :p :p

TG

I dunno…ask the Left.

they decide.

:D :D :D

I figure it like this... PC does not equal "Politically Correct". PC equals "Political CRAP"! Why all the PC junk in the first place? All it does is lead to more divisiveness and indecision. It's like the cat in the road, my mother in-law would throw her car in the ditch or head-on somebody trying to decide the "moral dilemma" of splattering the cat and being safe or crashing the car and possibly sparing the dumb animal. Me? Dead cat. No contest.

TG -- don't walk in front of my car!
If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this “hate speech” or “politically incorrect” speech. (Of course, they—being the good guys—will decide exactly what that is.)

No - it's not OK.

Toker, seems you just proved his point, in my opinion...it's hate-monger, vile rubbish, lies and crap because YOU say so?
Have you ever read Ann Coulter? I mean she's full of hate, man.

man, Dan Rather would have a field day digging up your records, you kitty-killer, you!!

Have some COMPASSION!!!

Quote (Mr Soul @ April 15 2005,17:12)
If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this “hate speech” or “politically incorrect” speech. (Of course, they—being the good guys—will decide exactly what that is.)

No - it's not OK.

Toker, seems you just proved his point, in my opinion...it's hate-monger, vile rubbish, lies and crap because YOU say so?
Have you ever read Ann Coulter? I mean she's full of hate, man.
who says he is full of hate? you and the people who disagree.

OBVIOUSLY, a fair number of people do NOT think she is full of hate, right? You would give me that point?

If you go to a web site that contains all articles either bashing the left or the right, and nothing else, could you draw some conclusion?

I didn’t mean to say that Sajak is necessarily filled with hate himself, or that this article expressed hatred. What I was trying to say was backup Dr Guitar initial statement about Sajak.