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| Apologies if I offended anyone. I must watch that. |
I might have been a little quick on the draw with my reply as well.
Glad you got sorted.
Wihan
I might have been a little quick on the draw with my reply as well.
Glad you got sorted.
Wihan
P.S. About the filing thing, I’ll say it’s nice to have those .sng or sessions files, 'cause even if for some reason you can’t astually use them with another version, whatever, you have a ‘screenshot’ of what you did, I guess.
Hey Pianoman, I’ll chime in- we’re all just trying to have a good time here, is all. Nobody here thinks (I’ll presume to say so!) that anyone else here is/ought to be perfect…this would explain my own presence here! Ease-up, brother! S’cool. 
I was saying what Sloom is saying…save everything, wavs, sngs etc. You CAN’T save too much.
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| as you updated your system you also updated Ntrack. Just for nastalga you decide to open up one of those projects from Christmas past…only to find your new version and system neither recognizes the song file or the sampling frequency… |
This is also true…I recently upgraded from 2.3 to 3.3. When I open my 2.3 projects all of my wavs (tracks) are there but none of my settings so I have to re-add all of my effects and plug-ins and remix it all down again BUT I still have my original wav files (tracks). So , once again, SAVE IT ALL…CD’s and DVD’s are relatively inexpensive and old hard disks are not that hard to come buy either.
Sloom, I might be wrong, but I think the files that comprise a project are just a bunch of 1’s and 0’s , so as DATA you don’t lose any quality. Sort of like copying a document file a zillion times…
Again, I’m might be talking out of my a**…
cliff
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| Plus I heard somewhere everytime you transfer a file to disk an back you loose quality…don’t know if it’s true, but nevertheless. |
No, that’s wrong as Cliff has hinted to…
If this were true then programs and data files (eg Word docs) would change when written to CD.
You are confusing the difference between writing an AUDIO CD and a DATA CD.
Avoiding too much techno-speak… When you write a Data CD you get an exact bit-for-bit copy of whatever you write (eg your WAV files or your Word document). If something goes wrong (eg the CD gets scratched) then you get a read error when accessing the file and the file can’t (usually) be retrieved.
When you write an Audio CD, the WAV file is interpreted into a different format that can be read (in real time or faster) by a CD player. This is where errors can and do occur. Either caused by damage or dirt on the CD, or by a poorly written CD.
You don’t always hear the errors because the CD player is using error-correction to “fill in the gaps”. (Yes folks, the CD player is responsible for error correction - in effect it’s making up the bits of my music that it can’t read!).
Recording Audio CDs slowly tends to result in CDs that are more easy to reads by the players.
HTH
So to summarise how to backup an n-Track project…
1. Save all the WAVS
2. Save the sng file
3. Save the n-track install file for the version you used.
4. Save all the VST and VSTi dlls
5. Save all the DirectX effect and DXi installers
If you really want to be sure then mixdown each WAV (without effects and envelopes) to account for any editing, cutting/pasting etc that may have taken place. Then your WAVS can be loaded by another program.
On the subject of sampling rates and bit depths, don’t panic just yet. The 44.1/16 standard will be a long time in passing since every CD ever made uses that format. Also most soundcards are quite happy going downwards in sampling rate and bit depth. (Bet most of your cards can do 8 bit, 11025 Hz! Anyone ever used them?).
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| Let's just try and think a little bit further ahead here people. Years go by, and Ntrack has updated umteen times to keep up with the ever advancing technology...IE 64bit motherboard/processor... And sample frequencies also make advancements...44400~96...and BEYOND! Now every year as you updated your system you also updated Ntrack. Just for nastalga you decide to open up one of those projects from Christmas past...only to find your new version and system neither recognizes the song file or the sampling frequency.... |
My turn to play...
Scenario---I currently use N version 3.3. Let's say that I don't ever upgrade to a higher version for whatever reason and continue with the 3.3 as it is on my computer as of today. If in 5-10 years, will a disk I burnt today still work with this version?
Sorry if this may even be an obvious answer, but as I have proved previously, I don't know much about recording.
Thank you
yes…
cliff
not that i can read the future
Thank you…
Thanks for the summary, Mark, that I was so earnestly dancing around! 
Thanks for the summary.
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I beleive I said that in my first post.
and this…
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| My turn to play… Scenario—I currently use N version 3.3. Let’s say that I don’t ever upgrade to a higher version for whatever reason and continue with the 3.3 as it is on my computer as of today. If in 5-10 years, will a disk I burnt today still work with this version? |
Yes, provided your computer never takes a crapper. Most hardrives will last 5-10 years… under normal conditions.
However I have found recording music is not normal conditions for computers. Especially if your music is HOT! Hot room, hot musicians, hot song= meltdoooooooown!
That’s why I suggested you save the registered version of Ntrack you own now to it’s own disk. It supports self-registration, so make shure you save it, and the registration for the Compressor plug, or whatever pluggs you have. Trying to get this information takes time from Flav’s staff…days at least, and that’s a lifetime when your feeling inspired to work on a special project.
Save each track at the highest sampling frequency your current card and computer will allow. That way as technology advances you at least have the files at the best they could be at the time.
I would suggest naming the project your working on, IE “Pianoman”
Then mix each track down without effects or editing as Mark suggested.
Then each track will have a name
Pianoman1.wav
Pianoman2.wav
ect ect…
this will make thing simpler years form now when you want to open a certain song it won’t be a shuffle between dozens of disks with files simply named untitled1.wav
untitled2.wav…on and on through 100"s of files before you find the right track!
keep shinin’
jerm
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Errmmm. That’s why I called my post a summary
Heh-heh… This here thread might be getting a bit overworked…
But I’m going to adjust my saving procedure a because of it!