use VST in real time?
I have seen a lot of talk on here about Aux bus and this and that over the years and I must confess I have no idea what it is or what people are talking about! lol 
Anywho I was wondering if there is a way to use an FX like VST Freeamp in real time, and hear the effect as I am playing? 
keep shinin’
jerm 
Jerm:
Absolutely, although I wouldn’t confuse it with the Aux bus. In N, you simply add the VST, like you would in a post-recorded track, and then turn on “LIVE”. Make sure the track in question is armed and selected.
You do need to have a good low latency sound card and driver in order to gain any satisfaction, however. Otherwise, you’ll hear a nice little 40ms delay, which can be a show-stopper.
The aux bus permits me to place a reverb or delay, etc in a sharable location so that I can reuse that effect on multiple tracks. For instance, rather than using 8 separate delays and having to configure all of them individually (and taking the processor hit along with it), the aux bus allows me to set it up one time, then regulate the amount of send and receive from each track, individually. Typically, I think most people set up the Aux buss to unity gain (0db) and then fiddle with the individual buss to obtain the right amount of the effect.
HIH,
Jerm, think of the nTrack mixer as an analog mixer sitting in the room with you. Use it the same way, patching in effects or whatnot. Bill gave an excellant description of using aux buses. You can add as many as your machine can process.
Yaz
Quote: (billthecat @ Apr. 17 2008, 5:11 AM)
Jerm:
Absolutely, although I wouldn't confuse it with the Aux bus. In N, you simply add the VST, like you would in a post-recorded track, and then turn on "LIVE". Make sure the track in question is armed and selected.
You do need to have a good low latency sound card and driver in order to gain any satisfaction, however. Otherwise, you'll hear a nice little 40ms delay, which can be a show-stopper.
The aux bus permits me to place a reverb or delay, etc in a sharable location so that I can reuse that effect on multiple tracks. For instance, rather than using 8 separate delays and having to configure all of them individually (and taking the processor hit along with it), the aux bus allows me to set it up one time, then regulate the amount of send and receive from each track, individually. Typically, I think most people set up the Aux buss to unity gain (0db) and then fiddle with the individual buss to obtain the right amount of the effect.
HIH,
Yep... exactly what Bill said.... but also you will need to disable any direct monitoring feed that you have in place so you hear just the affected sound not the affected sound with the dry sound.
Thanks guys sounds pretty simple.
I’m gonna give it a go although I am uncertain how I am going to hear the sound if I “mute” the monitor signal coming from the soundcard.
THat is I am not certain that I am hearing the tracks as they are being recorded, only what is going into the card, since there is a headphone right on it, and I have the speakers playing off the card as well, neither of which involve the computer to my knowledge.
M-audio Audiophile Firewire interface/converter.
This device seems to keep the latency low while recording, but I have yet to learn how to do the very basic things I used to do with a built in soundblaster card, like play the midi piano in Ntrack.
keep shinin’
jerm
If you can hear yourself recording AND the other tracks all at the same time without LIVE being involved, then it should still work. You might check the M-audio manual for assistance as to how to do it. I’ve got an EMU 0404 (which in my opinion is the bottom of the ladder for pro cards), and it works just fine.
Good luck!
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Apr. 18 2008, 3:38 AM)
Thanks guys sounds pretty simple.
I'm gonna give it a go although I am uncertain how I am going to hear the sound if I "mute" the monitor signal coming from the soundcard.
THat is I am not certain that I am hearing the tracks as they are being recorded, only what is going into the card, since there is a headphone right on it, and I have the speakers playing off the card as well, neither of which involve the computer to my knowledge.
M-audio Audiophile Firewire interface/converter.
This device seems to keep the latency low while recording, but I have yet to learn how to do the very basic things I used to do with a built in soundblaster card, like play the midi piano in Ntrack.
keep shinin'
jerm
The point being, if you can hear your recorded source (eg guitar) dry as well as with the effect it can be somewhat off-putting.
A nice crunchy distortion with the clean guitar going plink-plink at the same time somewhat ruins the mood for me. Add a few milliseconds of latency and you have a nice slap-back delay to contend with too . I monitor via a mixer so it's an easy job to patch around the direct monitoring, but it shouldn't be too hard to pop into the control panel for your card and turn off any direct monitoring if the dry & wet mix offends you.
Quote: (billthecat @ Apr. 17 2008, 11:16 PM)
If you can hear yourself recording AND the other tracks all at the same time without LIVE being involved, then it should still work.
You might check the M-audio manual for assistance as to how to do it.
I've got an EMU 0404 (which in my opinion is the bottom of the ladder for pro cards), and it works just fine.
Good luck!
Patchmix DSP (E-Mu 0404 same here) does have to be muted as Bill points out because of the offset in milli secs causing a very undesirable sound in the cans. A vocal can sound out of phase so to speak. Not all cards work in the same manner so reading your soundcard settings and manual is pretty much a must.
Also depends on ones set up wheather using outboard monitoring or whatnot.
Best thing Jerm is to play around with it, ya get it too screwed up you can reset everything to defaults. Tweak dem buttons til she blows! LOL
Yaz
Tee hee
Thanks guys, I will tune in Tokyo tonight and see what happens.
keep shinin’
jerm