English, or any other is ok?
Hi guys, or Flavio.
I wanted to download the .Net thing to give a try to n-track 4. When i will go to download i see it´s available in diffrent languages. My w98SE is a Spanish version, but n-Track is english based. I dont have problems using the spanish or the english version, only i wonder if anyone knows any problem using n-Track with a diffrent .NET language distribution than the english one (or if your operative system supports install a diffrent language .NET thing…)
Thanks!
Hi marce!
I’m no expert but I don’t think the language version of the .NET Framework will really cause any problems for you. If I understand it correctly, .NET Framework is a set of programming “extentions” or whatever the programmer geeks call it… so the language version should not matter… I think? Argh! Where’s Bubba when we need him? Probably playing with his accordion again… 
TG
Hi TG. In theory it dont must cause problems, but you know that theory sometimes fail.International users know about issues with runtimes in diffrent languages, happened in the past.
I thought in download the english version, since, at the moment, n-Track is the only proggie that use this “extentions”.
Since we are talking about languages, i suggest it in the past, but, i suggest it again, maybe Flavio read it:
What about make the commands of n-track easy to translate putting them in a simply .txt file (like other proggies?). Im volunteer for translate it to spanish.
So what is this .Net stuff anyway?
I’m stalled at 1811 because when I tried to install 1845 I got all this “install net framework” stuff, and I’m awfully paranoid in my old age.
So can someone computer literate please explain what it is and why I need it? 
(and reassure me it won’t slow my PC down). 
.NET is Microcosm’s new flagship programming package replacing Visual Studio. The .NET Framework contains all the necessary .dll’s and such for an application written in .NET to run. I think Flavio switched over to .NET around build 1845 or so… Like I said, where’s Bubba when we need him?
Marce, I did see on Microsofts website, a warning NOT to attempt to install a different language version of .NET over an existing DIFFERENT language version…
TG
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thanks TG, that´s a good advice…
Thanks TG.
But, is it a “good” thing or not?
What are the advantages and disadvantages for us, the users?
And why does no other audio app I use need it?
When I see the words “visual” and “Microsoft” together; I sort of think of a high level thingy which is “user friendly”, but as about efficient and effective as a 90 year old Carmelite nun in a whorehouse.
But I don’t actually know. And I have to confess that most of my Microsoft Paranoia is due to being scared by a Bill Gates lookalike Troll when I was still a babe in arms.
Well, like I said earlier, I’m no expert on this… Is it a “good” thing? Well, I suppose so IF you wanna run an app that needs the framework. Advantages? Same as above. Disadvantages? The files eat up more disk space but who’s counting?
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It’s highly possible you may have a version of .NET Framework installed and don’t realize it. MS offers it to developers as a redistributable package for packaging WITH their apps installer. It may be installed without you even knowing about it. Chances are IF you have an earlier version of the Framework, n is complaining because Flavio’s programming calls for the newer version. If you know something about Visual Basic, this Framework stuff is akin to the Visual Basic runtime .dlls that’s required to run apps written in VB. With Visual C++, it’s closest relative would be what they called the MSFC .dll’s. MFC is Microsoft Foundation Classes. Since C++ programs can use “Classes”, MS encapsulated a lot of fundamental routines into what they refer to as Foundation Classes. Saves the programmer tons of time by allowing them to “call” these classes instead of writing ALL the code over and over.
Something like that anyway… Hmmm, I hope that helped rather than hurt?
TG
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| .NET is Microcosm's new flagship programming package replacing Visual Studio. The .NET Framework contains all the necessary .dll's and such for an application written in .NET to run. I think Flavio switched over to .NET around build 1845 or so.... Like I said, where's Bubba when we need him? Marce, I did see on Microsofts website, a warning NOT to attempt to install a different language version of .NET over an existing DIFFERENT language version... TG |
.NET is Microcosm's new flagship programming package replacing Visual Studio. The .NET Framework contains all the necessary .dll's and such for an application written in .NET to run. I think Flavio switched over to .NET around build 1845 or so.... Like I said, where's Bubba when we need him?
I'll refine that a bit. .Net is a collection of related technologies from Microsoft, and is definitely a flagship collection. But it isn't replacing Visual Studio, which is the Microsofts development environment for creating applications. Visual Studio is highly .Net aware.
The Microsoft .Net framework is a large base of code ("classes") that provides the functionality that programmers typically need, like access to the file system, formatting numbers, encryption, etc. It's huge.
There are a number of .Net programming languages, including Visual Basic for .Net, C#, and Managed C++.
Any application that uses .Net requires the .Net framework. Apparently nTrack now uses .Net, so you have to have the framework on your machine. SInce I already have it (I'm a .Net developer) I didn't even notice that the nTrack update required it.
Marcy, I'd say that since your machine is configured for Spanish, you probably need the SPanish version of the framework. If that doesn't work, install English too.
When you install the .Net framework on your machine, you are getting the DLLs that all .Net P
There you go!
Thanks Leo!
TG
Does .NET run on Win98? I wouldn’t think so.
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Yep.
From MS support…
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TG
Just my own experience, FWIW:
I have installed both .NET 1.1 and 2.0.xxx required by n-Track 4.05 and later on my Windows 2000 system, and it hasn’t affected my system performance in any noticeable way. Also, I have gone back to 4.04 (pre-.NET, of course) without removing .NET, and it runs just as it always has. I am also able to uninstall .NET through Add/Remove programs if I so choose (not sure how much XP dependends on .NET, though). Yeah, I figure it probably leaves some things behind in the registry, but I have uninstalled it before and haven’t noticed any problems (except, of course, that a couple of apps that need it won’t run).
Anyway, as far as the performance of n-Track 4.05 and 4.1 themselves go, well, I wouldn’t expect any improvements over 4.04. Actually, I am still trying to characterize a CPU usage increase I’ve seen with the newer builds. With my test .sng project, my system has serious CPU usage issues with the 4.1 beta, and 4.05 is maybe 3% slower than 4.04. BUT the weird thing is that resaving my test project in 4.1 then going back and reopening it in 4.05 made it run FASTER than in 4.04! Just some weird stuff going on (weird to me, anyway), so you may want to rethink upgrading if it’s really not that critical to you.
HTH…
Tony
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a word of caution about the 2.0 framework, as of now it’s still in beta… although mature, people who don’t understand it should probably avoid it…
an earlier post helped explain what .net is, and like him, i am a .net consultant/developer as well… for the end user - john and jane q. - all you need to know is that for some applications you’ll need to download the “runtime” or “framework”… ignore anything that says SDK in it…
concerning languages - part of the attraction of .net is it’s built in ability to use “globalization” features… you developers are familiar with this… i wouldn’t expect any issues to arise using the a framework in a native language… most likely, your only knowledge that .net is actually doing anything is when it pops up some nasty error… and that error will be in your native language… as for data types (integers, strings, etc), they are going to be the same no matter the language of the framework… in fact, if microsoft were using a design pattern that they love to promote, and the fact that the framework actually contains globalization “methods” to ease the distribution of an application across multiple cultures/language, the language information is probably only a “language pack”, which is just a resource file with sentences in your language…
for programmers, .net was a huge leap forward for those of us who were using asp and visual basic… think of .net as a “black box” computer that can read lots of languages… the ultimate goal is simply to have some program run… in this example - a circle on the screen… at one end, are wires connected to the monitor, and at the other end is a slot to insert the program… a great feature of the .net platform is that it understands multiple languages… this means that i can write in c# (see-sharp), another developer can use visual basic, even fortran and c++ (managed)… and in addition to the black box that accepts our program, we can write our own little black boxes that do things to share with other programmers… as well as these wonderful new things called “web services”, .net really is a great leap forward for most microsoft developers…
now that i’ve fogged the air even more!.. for those interested in seeing how all of this really works, microsoft has a site dedicated to all of this stuff: http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/
they also have some free development tools that will get you up and running rather quickly… although, i must admit that i’ve never used them - search for “visual studio express”…
Console.WriteLine(“Hello World!”);
isaac
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Yeah…it’s just that it becomes really hard to avoid if you want to install n-Track 4.1
That’s the only reason I installed it.And thanks for the tip on Visual Studio Express!
Tony
It’s just another M$ way to infiltrate our systems and take over the world I tell ya!!!
Smerf,
I agree totally.
MS tried the visual J thing to try to compete with Sun Java.
Now comes the .Net, here we go again.
When will they ever learn?
I MS Office 97 the word internet did not exist.
Now they make yet another stab at domination.