so i have a point on a track where the delay i have on the track should be bypassed.
go to the wedge-shaped drop-down, select effects parameters, select the effect and param and hit ok
i now have a wedge cursor and no visible green evolution timeline. i click around on the track and i end up creating nodes for…volume evolution, not this param
the obvious expectation would be to 1) see an evolution timeline after i pick the param i care about and 2) to, you know, use it instead of crapping all over the volume evo
what might i be doing wrong?
thanks
r
Wedge cursor is correct…
In the timeline does it say the name of the VST in white and the parameter you selected?
The envelopes you draw you should be light blue, not green like the volume ones…
The effects envelopes will start up the top of the timeline… the won’t appear on top of the track they are associated with, but in the order you select the effects when you click on the button and choose the Effects Parameters option.
If you are clicking in the timeline and making volume envelope changes then it sounds like you didn’t select the “Effects Parameters” option when you clicked on the envelopes button
Rich
| Quote (RichLum @ Aug. 13 2005,19:42) |
| Wedge cursor is correct… In the timeline does it say the name of the VST in white and the parameter you selected? The envelopes you draw you should be light blue, not green like the volume ones… The effects envelopes will start up the top of the timeline… the won’t appear on top of the track they are associated with, but in the order you select the effects when you click on the button and choose the Effects Parameters option. If you are clicking in the timeline and making volume envelope changes then it sounds like you didn’t select the “Effects Parameters” option when you clicked on the envelopes button Rich |
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| The effects envelopes will start up the top of the timeline… the won’t appear on top of the track they are associated with, but in the order you select the effects when you click on the button and choose the Effects Parameters option. |
okay…i see now. thanks rich.
hey flavio! may i ask that you consider placing vst automation evolutions ON the track they affect? having them elsewhere is not only counter-intuitive, it’s outright unexpected and distracting.
rob
This isn’t really practical…
1 track can have multiple VSTs.
Each VST can have multiple parameters…
One thing I wish you could do though was have angled envelopes.
At the moment you can only do right angle changes.
Volume you can do any sloping angle you want.
Makes it hard to fade a parameter in or out smoothly.
I currently just do lotts of little steps but it is a pain in the ass and not all that smooth.
Rich
| Quote (RichLum @ Aug. 14 2005,19:35) |
| This isn’t really practical… 1 track can have multiple VSTs. Each VST can have multiple parameters… |
no matter what, all evolutions needs to be put on the timeline somewhere, i’m simply asking that they appear over the track they belong to.
use alternate evo colors, a drop-down, whatever. but make the evos live with the tracks they alter, that’s what i’m asking for.
i don’t see what is gained by just throwing them onto the top of the timeline, other than confusion
-r
hmmm… some tracks may have 3 or 4 envelopes associated with it being displayed at the same time… It would get pretty messy having all of them on top of each other…
Sometimes when I’m programming drums in Jamstix I’ll have 6 or more envelopes for Jamstix being displayed at the same time. I would have a difficult time trying to choose which envelope I wanted or which node I wanted if they were all on top of each other…
I’d personally rather see them all at once on the screen than have to choose them from a drop down list (that’s what you do when you click on the envelopes button in the first place and choose which envelopes you want to view)
| Quote (RichLum @ Aug. 15 2005,19:41) |
| hmmm... some tracks may have 3 or 4 envelopes associated with it being displayed at the same time... It would get pretty messy having all of them on top of each other... Sometimes when I'm programming drums in Jamstix I'll have 6 or more envelopes for Jamstix being displayed at the same time. I would have a difficult time trying to choose which envelope I wanted or which node I wanted if they were all on top of each other... I'd personally rather see them all at once on the screen than have to choose them from a drop down list (that's what you do when you click on the envelopes button in the first place and choose which envelopes you want to view) |
all i'm asking for is track association with its evolution data. discussing different methods of obtaining views of this data is independent of the problem as i see it - a confusing visual distancing of the evos from their subject tracks.
-r
just found out that you can draw smooth envelopes if you hold down the Shift Key as you draw…
this would be a good example of why my “layers” idea is handy. you could have a track vertically “expand” into layers the look like additional tracks but are just inset under the correct track. This would work great for showing say, ALL the different envelopes of a track, and even each wav file on it’s own “track” for easier adjustment of location and crossfades. When you’re done, collapse the track and it’s back to the normal looking single track. Is this possible FLAVIO???
Might I suggest a different approach?
Of course this might not be convenient for what you are trying to do. But If you are JUST DYING to have the evolution appear on the track then you can put the effect you want into an AUX bus instead of on the track. Then adjust the “send to Aux #” evolution on that track. I do it all the time.
hth,
mrtoad
| Quote (unclenam @ Aug. 18 2005,08:26) |
| just found out that you can draw smooth envelopes if you hold down the Shift Key as you draw... |
Thanks unclenam...
That is bvetter than the way I was doing it, but is still not the same as when you draw the volume envelopes you can just grab a node and drag it where you want to make a nice straight line or click where there is no node and it will place a node there and join it to the other nodes with a straight line...
I can't really draw straight lines with my mouse.... trhey still end up a bit wobbly..
Rich
By the way, putting the effect into an AUX bus (see my previous post in this thread) and then drawing on the “Send to AUX volume” evolutions would also help with your smooth-line drawing, Rich!
hth,
mrtoad
yeah, but let’s say I want to adjust the frequency on an EQ in the song from low to high for a wah like effect, can’t do that with the Auxillary sends, that only works for stuff like increasing reverb and such if I’m not mistaken as to what you’re referring to.
Yeah guitars69 is right.
It’s not the send to the effect I’m trying to adjust, but whatever automation parameters the effect has.
As an example, in Jamstix I map out the velocity, PowerPlay, when I want percussion, cymbal probability etc.
It would be nice to increase the velocity parameter gradually (this doesn’t just increase the volume of the drums but the way the drums are played also (how busy or laid back they are etc.)
Just seems weird that the green volume envelopes can have angled lines but the blue fx parameter ones can’t…
Rich
for what it’s worth, you could do as mentioned before… hold down the shift key and actually draw the envelope. you end up with a hundred nodes, but it accomplishes the same thing. I tried it with the eq once and never did get it to work. don’t know if I did something wrong or if I had too many nodes or something but it didn’t work.
Flavio- can we get angled envelope adjustment for effects parameters please? Also… I think people would be really amazed at the ease of use if a track had the ability to “expand” and display multiple tracks under the main track-one for each possible effect envelope you have enabled for that, and also to allow easier placement of multiple wav’s in one track-most specifically crossfades. the upper most track being the “front” and the further down tracks being the "back"
anyone else agree?