I love hearing Nixon’s old men spin/smear Mark Felt. The fact is Nixon was a crook and if DT hadn’t come forth, the whole Watergate investigation probably would have never seen the light of day. Nixon had already sculted one FBI investigation and he would have surely done the same to Watergate.
Long live investigative journalism and anonymous sources!
Unsatisfied with her copious sexual shenanigans, due to not “hearing any bells ringing” (i.e. not capable of having an orgasm) Linda Lovelace goes to see Dr Young (Harry Reems) to find out why she cannot have a mind-blowing orgasm. After some investigation Dr Young finds out that Miss Lovelace’s clitoris is located deep down inside her throat (there is a map out there somewhere for those who know not the proper location for this!) and he prescribes that the only way she can experience a real orgasm is by performing “deep throat” (a method of fellatio akin to sword swallowing) on her lovers, therefore, reaching her clitoris, and setting off the rockets and fireworks, bursting dams and bells that she has been waiting all her sexual life for.
Deep Throat was the first porno film to be shot (oh, oh here we go) with something resembling a real budget. It was shot for $24,000 over a period of six days, a sum that was unheard of to be spent (well it is slightly better than “splashed out”) on a porn flick. So there is actually some acting, and some funny, but terribly predictable porn associated jokes in there (not another one?). With it’s big budget for a porn film Deep Throat began the phenomena of porno chic, with its high production values, acting sequences and comedic moments, all be it bad jokes! It is reported to have grossed in excess of $600m, one a #### of a profit margin, which a ton of mainstream Hollywood films could do with!
Long live porn and anonymous porn!
Felt went public, albeit anonymously (read-cowardly) with top-level, classified info about nixon and the investigation.
Great hero.
Classic liberal spin.
Right PB. Had Mr. Felt stepped forward like a real man and exposed the whole mess, taking his own lumps in the process, he could be labeled a hero. Sneaking around in garages and leaking info to press pervs is not my idea of heroism. More like cowardice.
Nixon was a crook and needed taken down. Honorable men would have brought him down with honorable methods without resorting to his own cloak and dagger crap.
TG
he violated FBI rules and probably the law. Yup. A hero.
In the REAL world up front won’t work at that high level of politics. DT knew that and acted appropriately. sneaky (Nixon) is as sneakey (DT) does. Nixon brought Nixon down and no one else. Colson and Buchannon must support the stealing of elections because that is what it was about…gee sounds familiar doesn’t it. “Bush, fascism you can vote for”. saw that on a bumper and lookin for one for myself. 
Let the flames begin! ( When did we stop debating differences and start creating enemies in our politics?) at least here the conversations are civil.
Cheers
Cruiser
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| Honorable men would have brought him down with honorable methods without resorting to his own cloak and dagger crap. |
How do you know?
What honorable methods should he have used?
Were there even any honorable options available?
How do you even know these “honorable methods” would have worked?
Fact is, Mr. Felt’s methods got the job done. You can’t argue with that. If he had acted differently, Watergate may have just blown over and been forgotten, right? Can you say for sure that there was a more honorable way that would have worked? Of course not! Nobody can!
But we do know that Felt’s actions exposed the corrupt Nixon administration, and that’s all that matters.
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| he violated FBI rules and probably the law. Yup. A hero. |
I wish there were more people out there doing the right thing by any means necessary. Those pricks in Washington have been hiding behind bullshitty rules/laws for way too long.
I’m sick of politicians making excuses.
I’m sick of politicians hiding behind the 5th amendment all the time (and getting re-elected).
I’m sick of great journalists like Bill O’Reilly getting shat upon while partisan windbags like Al Franken and Ann Coulter are praised by their respective sheep.
When somebody like Deep Throat exposes these DC Dicktards for what they really are, I think we should give credit where it’s due.
Washington needs to be held to a much higher standard. Right now it’s just a playground for over-privileged snobs who never grew up.
John McCain is about the only politician I can stand, and he’s constantly getting shat upon from both sides.
Agreed! you go Jason…fascism: severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. sound familiar…Delay, Frist, Bush, Cheney, Dobson, Falwell, Rice etc. etc…???
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| Agreed! you go Jason…fascism: severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. sound familiar…Delay, Frist, Bush, Cheney, Dobson, Falwell, Rice etc. etc…??? |
Well, no. That statement is exactly the type of “party extremist sentiment” that I’m completely against.
I’m for holding all politicians responsible for their actions, not just the Republicans.
I believe there is severe corruption in both parties, but I certainly don’t think the Republicans are facists, nor do I think the Democrats are communists - regardless of what the smear mongers on both sides would like me to believe.
I have no doubt that Felt felt directly threatened by Nixon. Nixon was plotting against the FBI & trying to get the CIA to obstruct the FBI’s investigation. Even though Felt was #2 in the FBI, Nixon had already put his guy in power.
If you think I’m trying to spin this, make no mistake - if it hadn’t been for Woodward & Felt, we would have NEVER known the truth about what Nixon had been up to.
I don’t hear you right-wingers condemning anything that Nixon’s henchmen were doing, now do I?
I think Felt did the right thing & we got the right results - getting rid of one of the most corrupt/crooked Presidents we’ve ever had.
Jason - I’m in total agreement with you (for once 
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| I think Felt did the right thing & we got the right results - getting rid of one of the most corrupt/crooked Presidents we’ve ever had. |
Normally I’d jump on Toker for being a left-wing wingnut, but I completely agree with that statement.
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I 97% agree…
We might have found out about it. See, we have no way of replaying history and changing things, so I can’t say that we would have NEVER known.
But… You’re right, it’s likely that we wouldn’t have.
And since Felt’s way of going about it worked, I don’t see how anybody can knock it.
Like you said, we got the right results.
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I agree but then just listen to how the right-wing media/pundits are trying to spin this. R. Gordon Liddy is a crook who served jail time and now is a right-wing radio host - that should tell you sometime about the sad state of affairs in America today.
Pastor and Clark, does it matter that Nixon acted as if he was above the law?
Whistleblowing is dangerous stuff, Felt feared for his life at one point, and for his career all the time.
I simply cannot fathom your position on this. Nixon was simply a criminal, one of the worst in US history. 
I wasn’t really connecting your post with that statement. admittedly it appeared to do that. I do believe there are fascist tendencies in the ultra conservative base just as there are points of socialism in the democratic base. It is frustrating to see these politicians trying so hard to portray themselves as honorable when it is so transparent to everyone else of their fallacy.
Cheers
Cruiser
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| Pastor and Clark, does it matter that Nixon acted as if he was above the law? Whistleblowing is dangerous stuff, Felt feared for his life at one point, and for his career all the time. I simply cannot fathom your position on this. Nixon was simply a criminal, one of the worst in US history.
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I don't disagree with any of your statements toward Nixon.Bad dude, did wrong and stupid things to keep power, deserved his penalties and maybe more.
to label Felt as a "hero" for his methods...not Ok with me.
---felt for his life??
maybe you and Mike should write the screenplay!
(kidding !)
Well then how would you label him? He risked his career and perhaps his life, to uncover a crook.
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| Well then how would you label him? He risked his career and perhaps his life, to uncover a crook. |
I would label him a whistleblower. Just not a hero.
I have no problem with Nixon and his people taking a fall for what happened...I DO have a problem with lauding hero status on someone for sneaky bullshit.
If he TRULY felt the need to blow this up, he could have done so without the sneaky bullshit, is my point.
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Don’t get all red-eyed on me dude! (Whoops! Too late!)
I can agree with the points above. The thing you pointed out is the lack of honor amongst these people. Bringing honor to a people can start with one guy, yes? Felt could have gone to the Director WITH someone else he trusted and said “Hey. This is not right. We need to expose this stuff.” They might have listened… might not. Felt probably would have been forced to step down. THEN he could have openly exposed the goings on and possibly be labeled a “hero” today. We’ll never know.<!–QuoteBegin>
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That is the only point I was trying to make. Another point re: politics in general; “There is no honor among thieves.” That’s why crap like this goes up there.
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THIS says something too…
TG – Middle-winger
I heard another report on DT tonight and he did indeed not have any place to go with the information he had. His boss, the director of the FBI, was in bed w/ Nixon. The report I heard (with one of the prosecutors I believe), he indicated that we would never have known the truth if it hadn’t been for Woodward & DT. So I say he’s a hero because he risked everything, and in fact, did leave the FBI. He could have just kept quiet and Nixon would have gotten away with it all.