There’s a thought, version6 with a free Italian Pasta Meal! YUMMY! 
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There's a thought, version6 with a free Italian Pasta Meal! YUMMY!
Oh yeah... a big ol' plate of Lobster Ravioli preceded by a fine salad with Italian dressing... Mmmm... Mmmm! Throw in a glass of good Chianti and whoa buddy... Then go home and un-buckle the belt, unzip and un-snap the britches... pile up in the recliner... ZZZzzz... *SNORT* ZZZzzz...
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"A little Rock 'n Roll in church never hurt anybody."
My Pastor, John Clement
A wise man your Pastor. The "Church" needs to realize that to reach a broader spectrum of people, you have to modify your "traditions". After all, most traditions are just "religious rituals" and I know a guy whose words are written in RED who despised "religion".
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ROFL D, exactly! Exactly why I look like a pregnant telephone pole.
Fill the gut and take a nap!
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Flavio is up to the task I believe.
He better be or I will never eat Italian food again, ever.
Whoa... easy there Poppa... let's don't go all "Extremist" here. Life without Italian food? PERISH the thought!
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Quote: (Diogenes @ May 15 2008, 6:32 PM)
If it's all you need, great! As for the rest of us, we'd like to see V6 return n-Track to its V3.3 "Glory Days".
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Yup. I know what I am talking about. This isn't opinion. I started using N back in the 2.x days and can remember when Flav added ASIO and VST support.. we all about died. 3.3 was the end of the era. 4.x came out and it started to slip. 5.x came out and rendered the program more or less unusable for all but the most simple projects. I HAD to switch. Old 30+ track projects simply didn't work in the new versions. Graphics were sluggish. Things crashed all over the place. Simply put, N is broken. I am not fan boying Reaper. My only point is that N has slipped a lot over the years and it is repairable as it is clearly a code issue. In addition, N has lost a lot of users due to the 4.x+ mis-steps. A code overhaul taking N to the level of its competitors in performance and stability would bring me back. Believe me... I wrestled with N as long as I could based on loyalty and a simple fondness of the program and surrounding community. It was painful moving away. I wouldn't have had I been able to avoid it.
On the upside... the fact that an update has not been posted for over 6 months leads me to believe that a lot is happening behind the scenes. I wish Flavio was more involved in the forum as he used to be as I for one am curious as to what is going on back there.
Why don’t you reaper lovers take your n track put downs over to the reaper forum where your love can run wild. Putting ntrack down and pitching reaper here is really pretty lame.
Who are you trying to antagonize? Flavio or ntrack users who like n over reaper? I think reaper is a joke. The name alone is way to strange and says something about the people who put it together.
What future does ntrack have? To come to this forum and post a question like that, what future do you have?
Me? I’m not here to make fans or friends. But I have great respect for ntrack and for flavio for putting together a great studio at a great price back when all most of us could afford then was free.
Version 5 performs great! Does everyting V3 did and more. It never freezes my comp no matter how many tracks I have up or effects on those tracks.
Occasionally it will start to stall and when that happens I open my windows task manager click the process tab and end process on what ever program started up in the back ground. It’s always, if ever, only a conflict between programs. There is nothing at all wrong with ntrack. But I have a feeling due to Flavios obvious solitary commitment, it is about to get much better.
Also, I hope that Flavio pays no attention to your constant winning about what to add to ntrack and develops v6 the way “he wants it”, in his own time. It’s pretty obvious he knows what a great studio software requires. If you haven’t worked with V5 and noticed the tools and developments that have been added your missing out. Furthermore, I think the developers of reaper must be pretty grim.
Who is putting n-Track down? I just want to see it made BETTER. I have already (over and over) stated the case of why n does not work for ME. I can use it as is if all I want to do is lay down fewer than say a dozen tracks of audio. MIDI triggered VSTi stuff is difficult at best and track counts much higher than that become unplayable at decent latencies. Adding new material while monitoring is a pain. n-Track DID NOT use to work this way. It was much, much better. I want it to get back there and even surpass the level of performance it once had AND its competitors.
Developers NEED to hear from end-users experiences, good and bad. If everyone would put their software through major stress tests and report their problems instead of suffering through work arounds and other BS, the products will get better faster. R is not perfect either. It has it’s own problems as well. The large community over there report them, Cockos acknowledges them and usually within a day or two or a week, a new build is out and it’s fixed.
Tom, nobody’s software is perfect. Our goal as users, IF we want to see the software improved, is to share our experiences with the developers. Still, it is a monetary issue too. I have bought every version of n-Track and USED them (or tried too) since V3. An upgrade to V6 will require more cash out of my pocket. I hope it’s worth it because I’ll probably buy it regardless as a show of support.
I too don’t care for the name those guys chose for their company and products. But then again, what’s in a name? As long as it gets me where I wanna go cheaply and reliably, I don’t care if my car has Ford, Chevrolet or Dookie-bomb on the hood.
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One thing Tom said is certainly correct - a “clean” machine runs the software much better. Perhaps b/c I’ve had dedicated machines, that explains why I’ve never had problems…
Well if you are committed to doing music on a pc, it pretty much really has to be “clean” and optimized. you’re asking for some kind of trouble no matter what you use if you do very much multi-tasking on your music machine.
I don’t even have anti-virus at all on my “light” music pc. If there’s a question, I drag it through the internet-buggy first.
I agree, Sloom, except that it isn’t feasible for me.
I won’t go into the details. R works well regardless.
What I like about Reaper is that (so far, at least) it’s rock solid regardless of what other crap gets installed on my computer (beyond my control, unfortunately).
But I found N a lot more intuitive and easier to learn.
I hated to give it up – kept hanging on long after most folks would have.
In the end, it just didn’t make sense.
Tom, if Flavio asks me to stop posting here, I will do that without complaint.
I had left this forum but was asked by a few folks to please come by again now and then.
When I’m here, you’ll get the benefit of my opinions both pro and anti n-Track.
I highly recommend it; it’s a great program.
Unfortunately, I can’t give the unqualified recommendation or even top billing any more.
If you don’t want to see my posts, just skip past, please.
n-Track still is my “favorite”.
Any time I have something I need to do quickly that doesn’t involve recording, N comes out in a flash.
However, recording is a crucial part of studio work, and N doesn’t work consistently enough on my hardware.
Regarding what Bubba says, he’s half right and half wrong.
It is software, because we’ve seen it done.
However, he can’t say it’s not hardware-related.
I suspect it’s related to hardware, n-Track software, and also what DLLs you happen to have loaded.
I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to make any sophisticated piece of software running well in light of so many variables.
PS: I also have to add that on several occasions I’ve had a bug that, as a software engineer, I was able to isolate well enough to some specific action or situation that filing a bug report seemed fruitful, and in every case Flavio resolved the issue to my complete satisfaction and quickly as well. I’ve never experienced support that good on any software product.
Unfortunately, the dropouts problems are too shifting and nebulous to file a good solid bug report that would give Flavio any information to work with. Frankly, he’d have to debug it on my machine, and I just can’t manage to send it to him!
I understand that about R, that it runs no matter pretty much what. And I agree about the intuitiveness of n- versus R and many others too: n- wins easily there. R for instance had me needing to learn new ways of referring to elements of signal-flow, which to me is not worth the time. Why should I learn a whole new nomenclature/contrivance (the “Folders” system in Track-View, for instance) just to use another app that does the same thing as all of them?
The practical and intuitive thing is there, n-Track really should be the one to beat! Let’s see if v6 gives us the essential software without the brambles… Flavio?..
Despite N-tracks woes over the last few years, there is still some very impressive music recorded with it. The quality of music/recordings in the collaboration forum equals anything I hear anywhere else.
T
I’ve loaded v3.3 again, and lo- it’s hanging on not being able to see a .DLL file when I try and load Effects to a track. The “VST Scan” window comes up, scans… and scans…
Then another window pops up, which says that n-Track can’t function because there is a .DLL file which n-Track can’t locate. This window won’t go away even after I close n-Track. So I made a copy of the file in question, and put it where n- should be able to “see” it, in the VST folder I have set in the Paths preference (referenced to another application- maybe this is the problem?). No change, in fact I have to restart the computer to lose the popped-up window.
Before this just happened, the other day I loaded the same scenario. The VST Scan did the same thing- not just finishing and going away- so I “X’d” it. Fine. Now it’s gone to the next level of disfunction, described above. So I’m backing off it.
There is no other app that I have any trouble with at all- Sonar HS4, R, Sam SE, CEP 2.1… I’d like to use v3.3 though, as it’s perfect for what I want to do right now. Oh well, maybe next time!
This here might be fixable. but herein lies one of the reasoins so many have abandoned n-Track: Too much of this adjusting/working around business. It’s been a very picky piece of work for some of us!
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Regarding what Bubba says, he's half right and half wrong. It *is* software, because we've seen it done. However, he can't say it's not hardware-related. I suspect it's related to hardware, n-Track software, and also what DLLs you happen to have loaded. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to make any sophisticated piece of software running well in light of so many variables.
I agree to a point... but really... for other apps to run with out issue on any old config tells us something. Difficult yes, impossible no. This discussion has been going on forever. Remember like 3 or 4 years ago when many of us were say PLEASE no more features until the engine is made more stable? It can be made significantly more stable as others are doing it. Sure, there will always be one piece of hardware or driver that is junk and crashes things... but that should be the exception. I used to run N on a clean machine... with R, heck, I can have the same machine that I had N on with antivirus and all sorts of crap and get R to run just fine. I don't disagree that hardware is an issue in some instances... but you have to admit there is a lot that can be done on the code side as others are successfully doing it. (Forget R... Tracktion, Samplitude, etc etc. Their code is super stable too....)
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Occasionally it will start to stall and when that happens I open my windows task manager click the process tab and end process on what ever program started up in the back ground.
Other programs don't require this sort of massage... This is a work around and "putting up with". From a purely free market economic stand point this sort of thing is a detriment in light of the fact other apps don't require it. It is like saying car A is just fine as I simply jump out and give a push every so other when other cars simply run. Do you see what I am saying? It isn't a dig, simply the state of the market and where the competition is.
Yes, there are many people using N with success... but there is an obvious trend as many of the old timers around here have jumped ship. I am glad it works for some.... but it is NOT working for enough to say that there is a definite problem.
Again, you can say what you want... but I (and Diogenes and Learjeff and a whole heap of others) have been around here for years and years and years. (Since the late 90s myself.) We have seen everything from the beginning and for that many loyal fans to struggle and give up is unfortunate. There is no N bashing here... just disappointment and hope that things are turned around as I would love to be able to continue to use N and recommend it to newbies as I truly believe from a usability and intuitive standpoint it is the best thing going.
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I would love to be able to continue to use N and recommend it to newbies as I truly believe from a usability and intuitive standpoint it is the best thing going.
Right on Bubba. I would remind some who have tried "XYZ-base-endo-tion" or whatever who say "Man it's just hard to get my head around *insert something here*!" that Uncle Ben said "With great power comes great responsibility." Also, people have different levels of what they expect in a user interface and feature sets.
No need to bash *any of 'em. Just use what you like and make some music.
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PS * Well, I lied. I just tossed a cow chip at Steinberg on another forum. Back in "the day" they had a couple of official employees who moderated their forums (maybe still do) and those guys were really successful at wading in and cutting off any complaint about some bug or lacking "promised feature" or whatever. Essentially they were there for propaganda and damage control. Ran me off quick... No Steinie fan here...
AAARGHH! While I was typing the above I was downloading a .sgw file to look at someone elses tracks (thanks for posting that Ange) and you know what? I double-clicked the sgw to open n-Track and open the file… stupid thing fired up the n-Track installer??? Now imagine I was a noob and was checking out the software so Cousin Gert and I could collaborate across the country. Chances are I’d get frustrated quick and look at something else…
I un-packed the song by opening the sgw from the File > Open command after starting n-Track. The short-cut is supposed to work…
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Yes, there are many people using N with success... but there is an obvious trend as many of the old timers around here have jumped ship. I am glad it works for some.... but it is NOT working for enough to say that there is a definite problem.
I would agree wholeheartely with this, Diogenes. I was forced to look elsewhere because of the requirements of one of the groups I'm working with, who insisted in using a pitch correction plugin and wanted more flexible routing capabilities. Until I came up to a brick wall (Melodyne crashed n-track everytime, and the routing possibilites just were not there), I was very content with n-Track since back in the 2.x days. Changing to the "other" DAW solved these problems for now. But I still check in everyday to the forum (the other DAW's forum isn't nearly as interesting) and check to see if the beta 6 version is out yet.
The thing is that Flavio has usually come up to the plate with our needs and wishes. Unfortunately, since the changeover to the .net, there has been a downturn. And I imagine he is as frustrated as we are.
So here's hoping for the new era of 6.
Paul
Agreed here! I would love for n-Track to get serious. That’s what this kind of improvement- a re-write in clean code that doesn’t get into trouble with the host system- would say to me. As it is, trying to work with n-Track seems akin to trying to work in a room full of debris, noise, and other operations going on that are unrelated to what you are doing. For most people it’s pretty impossible… and it’s a very un-professional and anti-progressive way to do anything.
But we’re all here, aren’t we?