Let’s forget about patents. That is an issue you introduced to convolute the argument. You said you could not wait until the plugin was available on a torrent so you could get it. It was pointed out that that is stealing. The plugin is someone’s property. Someone made it, just like a car or a microwave and has created it to sell. How are you not stealing it by not paying for it? Explain that? We are not talking about patents here. The chocolate chip cookie is not patented, but it
sure is stealing
if you run out the front of the store without paying for a package of Chip’s Ahoy.
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 12:25 PM)
Let's forget about patents. That is an issue you introduced to convolute the argument. You said you could not wait until the plugin was available on a torrent so you could get it. It was pointed out that that is stealing. The plugin is someone's property. Someone made it, just like a car or a microwave and has created it to sell. How are you not stealing it by not paying for it? Explain that? We are not talking about patents here. The chocolate chip cookie is not patented, but
sure is stealing
if you run out the front of the store without paying for a package of Chip's Ahoy.
I don't know how that would be, since the patent is the only thing that separate a bought plug in (or any form of technology) from a cracked one.
If you can explain to me what the difference of a cracked software is as apposed to a retail form of it not involving the patent by all means do so.
keep shinin
jerm
Ah, you have no concept as to what a patent is. Now we’re getting somewhere. A patent prevents someone from using a process or mechanism in their design. This plug in, with some reverse engineering, could be recreated and assuming no patent, be done quite legally.
The reason you pay for it is because it is someone’s PROPERTY just like that box of cookies on a shelf. Until you pay for that box of cookies, it is still the store’s property. A torrent is essentially letting someone else steal the cookies, hand them to you from a van in a back alley, and you not ask questions. After you pay for it, it is YOUR property. Do you understand MINE and YOURS? To take something that is not your property and without the permission of the owner is called stealing. The technology behind it is fully available to the universe to use and is not at all the issue. This particular collection of code, much like a book or movie script, is not publically available and is their property.
Do you understand the different between a patent, copyright, and personal ownership at this point?
Right! I want every Chimpanzee that ever used a stick to rummage for ants to see me in my office - and before you ask, NO, you can’t have breast implants on the national health when you get human rights.
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 12:34 PM)
Ah, you have no concept as to what a patent is. Now we're getting somewhere. A patent prevents someone from using a process or mechanism in their design. This plug in, with some reverse engineering, could be recreated and assuming no patent, be done quite legally.
The reason you pay for it is because it is someone's PROPERTY just like that box of cookies on a shelf. Until you pay for that box of cookies, it is still the store's property. A torrent is essentially letting someone else steal the cookies, hand them to you from a van in a back alley, and you not ask questions. After you pay for it, it is YOUR property. Do you understand MINE and YOURS? To take something that is not your property and without the permission of the owner is called stealing. The technology behind it is fully available to the universe to use and is not at all the issue. This particular collection of code, much like a book or movie script, is not publically available and is their property.
Do you understand the different between a patent, copyright, and personal ownership at this point?
YOu have not explained the differences in the two softwares without using a patent as a difference.
For all you know the ripped versions on Torrent are reverse engineered.
But if it makes you and Sargent Sedico feel better about yourselves to call me a thief (even for something that was never done but I do not consider wrong) than by all means go ahead, I have broad shoulders so just lay it on me,
I understand the codes are not publicly available as you say that is capitalism and it is not a view I share concerning technology and humanity, and I gave my reasons for that, at the end of the day I have to live with myself and you yours.
If your going to stand up for the rights and monetary gain of one set of programmers (while posting negative things in a forum trying to sell a program no less) than you stand for the very thing that is causing the underdeveloped world to go without the life saving technology, you support and agree with that system and you will be looked back upon as humans evolve as ignorant to these simple facts.
Yes this is the status quo, yes this is the majority of societies mentality, but man hopefully one day will progress beyond this form of personal gain and capitalistic ideology and onto one that puts the needs and advancement of all first.
LEt's not waste time here Bubba, there is music to be made, I'm not going to wake tomorrow and be a capitalist and share your view on intellectual property and how the monetary gain of one supersedes the advancement of all, and you aren't all of the sudden going to become a socialist and share mine...so forget it.
keep shinin
jerm
You honestly believe the ripped versions are reverse engineered? Right, and unicorns live in my closet.
And it is OK for me to stop by sometime and clean out all your gear? I believe it is communal, so I think that should be OK. You either have no moral compass or are incapable of basic logical thought.
Patented software: We use special algorithm XYZ to achieve the effect. This special algorithm is patented and you cannot use it in your own design. However, you can make up your OWN algorithm to achieve the exact same result.
Again, for you to compare software theft to preventing the poor from access to those things necessary for basic human dignity is simply ignorant.
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If your going to stand up for the rights and monetary gain of one set of programmers (while posting negative things in a forum trying to sell a program no less) than you stand for the very thing that is causing the underdeveloped world to go without the life saving technology, you support and agree with that system and you will be looked back upon as humans evolve as ignorant to these simple facts.
Hardly related. I have never once advocated that someone STEAL or crack N-track, ever. The reason the 3rd world is poor is due to exploitation and colonialism; the same thing you seem to be advocating. The basic concept being: It is there for the taking, I might as well take as it helps my cause. A plugin does not equate to life saving technology. There ARE ways to eradicate hunger and disease in the world that does not involve stealing from others.
I suppose I’m “Sargent Sedico” (whatever the fug that is…) 
When I see a shiny new “toy” I need/want, I work and save, then I buy. It keeps the whole system working. It also means I HAVE EXTRA with which to help the needy and under-privileged of the world.
I don’t need anything to “feel better” about. I am fine. I have worked for everything I have and I can sleep like a baby knowing that and knowing that I do my part to support those needy people you say you’re “saving” by stealing. Right. So, that’s it.
Live long and prosper. (Just please don’t prosper off of MY work. I struggle enough without YOUR help.)
UJ
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 1:38 PM)
There ARE ways to eradicate hunger and disease in the world that does not involve stealing from others.
Yes one of those ways is to end the Neanderthal capitalistic society and implement a social society were technology is available for all regardless of wealth or social standing.
I am sorry if you do not agree with that or think some other way is better, more power to ya and good luck...(if you really are going to do something and not just blowing smoke)...
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The reason the 3rd world is poor is due to exploitation and colonialism; the same thing you seem to be advocating.
There is poor in all societies, having poor or being poor is not the issue even being spoken of here but of ideology, humanity and technology and how they currently are exchanged within capitalism.
Like I said numerous times you are not going to wake up different tomorrow and neither am I, so sticks stones, words just passing idle time I suppose.
keep shinin
jerm
Here Jerm; maybe you can take a lesson from here;
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 1:38 PM)
Hardly related. I have never once advocated that someone STEAL or crack N-track, ever.
Of course not you've made your capitalist views concerning technology and the dispersion thereof very clear on this board....
So why would you do an about face and suddenly think about humans and their advancement as a whole over monetary gain of a single person?
I don't expect you to do that, or think that way, you do exactly what is expected of a capitalist.
Speaking of God tho since you wanted to play that card, do you believe in God?
If so, great, does the God you believe advocate this capitalist mentality?
If not (you don't believe in God) than what is it to you if that changes the way other people perceive humanity?
Were you hoping that you could use my belief in God and your understanding of religion to coerce me into seeing things your way?
keep shinin
jerm
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 12:25 PM)
You said you could not wait until the plugin was available on a torrent so you could get it. It was pointed out that that is stealing.
Actually what was said was,
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I'll be looking for the jacked version on torrent.
Nothing about me "getting it" or downloading it. (although it could easily be implied for someone wanting to prove something)...I look for a lot of things on there...even programs I used to own that the companies went out of business and I lost the program.
What has been beneficial is those with that motive have been exposed, and the views of the capitalist on the board have been shown as well.
Thank you all for participating, good times people good time...
keep shinin
jerm
Okay genius. Where would human-kind be without “capitalism”?
Tell us your prognostications oh gifted one? Hmm???
This is truly brilliant;
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Nothing about me “getting it” or downloading it.
Do you OWN ANY of the software on your computer!?!?!?
Right… I busted yer chops about it and now you’re back-pedaling with all this nonsensical drivel trying to come out clean. You don’t have wash as hard when you don’t wallow in the dirt.
UJ
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 22 2010, 1:38 PM)
And it is OK for me to stop by sometime and clean out all your gear? I believe it is communal, so I think that should be OK. You either have no moral compass or are incapable of basic logical thought.
To things I can say about that in a clear conscious,
1.I am not going on a commercial software site and badmouthing their products (which could be considered defamation) and result in the direct loss of sales for the programmer when people read it.(like taking away something from them)
2. If people want to pay money for the licensed version of Ntrack more power to them I have no problem with that did so myself, for those whom can't afford it I have no problem with them having the program from someone else sharing it with them either, let both their lives be enriched and let them come to their best possible potential as a result of the access to that technology.
I know it's hard to think like that when all you know and breath is capitalism....but it is not the only way to think.
keep shinin
jerm
Jeeebus, Jerm!
bitingmylipbitingmylipbitingmylipbitingmylipbitingmylipbitingmylipbitingmylip 
Funny ain’t it? It’s the folks who have nothing worth stealing that end up justifying stealing.
Just sayin’…
It’s that ideology toward technology and the relative worth of a human life that has kept us as a race from moving forward at a faster pace.
keep shinin
jerm
So you could steal more better?
Jerm - you have lost any respect I held for you. Simply put - yer a moron.
the feeling is mutual capitalist.
I don’t have to agree with your chosen GOd (materialism) tho to respect you as a person, in fact it is our diversity that makes us who we are so it is appreciated that you would share your elitist view with me, Pops.
I know anyone who does not agree with your support of capitalism is a moron…nice, how convenient for your ideology to go unchallenged by default in that way, real mature and you want to talk about respect?..
I said it once I said it thrice y’all aren’t going to change my mind and you ain’t gonna all of the sudden wake up day and think about the rest of humanity and how much further it would be without capitalism…so just forget it.
I didn’t ask for your respect, neither do I need it, fine without it in fact more than fine.
keep shinin
jerm
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Nov. 22 2010, 2:47 PM)
It's that ideology toward technology and the relative worth of a human life that has kept us as a race from moving forward at a faster pace.
keep shinin
jerm
I'm still waiting oh 'gifted' one?
Why do you never answer questions? You just dance and dance and F%$^ING DANCE! Your justificatory diarrhea is getting extremely stanky...
UJ
Now I remember why I left this joint!