So, no matter how much I attack the whole religion thing, please keep praying.
Ali
I certainly will Ali-dude. You see, that’s one of the neat things about it… whether the “pray-ee” believes or not, it should make him/her feel a little better just to know someone is thinking about them.
TG
PS Just to add a new wrinkle to an already VERY complex problem… today I noticed a new size of hotdog packaging. I rushed over to the counter to have a look. Could it be? The mystical EVEN ratio has been attained? NOOOO!!!.. The fools packaged FIFTEEN weines to a pack! ARGH!!!
to do my part to help the plight of the Africans. I support a group of church called Grace Network. They take the money I tythe and give Africans the greatest gift one could bestow, words of salvation.
There’s so much I want to say in response to that Jerm, but it’s probably wiser if I refrain.
Ali
Maybe I won’t refrain Ali What the people need in Africa is food, medecines, clean drinking water. It’s nice that you have Faith Jerm, but if you sent your money to someone who would use it to feed the people, it would keep them alive. As much as you want to believe otherwise, words of salvation will not do that!
Ian
Please read the entire thread before responding…
God will forgive you for your ignorance, as will I. If you bothered to read what else I said (the the Network of Churches does in Africa) before casting your judgement, you would not appear to be what you appear to be now.
And I'd also have liked the Dalai Lama, the Pope, Yuri Geller, and Bongo and his magic banana to have been there too.
So, when they all claimed responsibility for the "miracle", which one would you have believed?
Well first off, I would beleive in the name of the one whom, the people called out, "JESUS". Anyone else standing in the room claiming credit would simply be ignored by me.
You are lacking the faith to have your prayers answered if you cannot assume they already are only beause you haven’t seen it happen.
That sounds just a little self rigtious doesn’t it ? (But I think I know what you mean)
Maybe to some, But I never said anything about having to be perfect or righteous in Gods eyes to have prayers answered. Only that you must know in your heart, that your prayer IS being answered, as you speak it. Not that you should pray…then wait, for a sign, wondering if you were heard or not, or if your were heard but not answered, thats self-defeating IMHO. The Bible teaches God bless’s the wicked as well as the righteous. Ones level of righteosness does not effect His compassion towards said individual, or His willingness to answer prayers. But it does help if YOU beleive, you are being answered, it’s called faith. And if there’s anyone out there who doesn’t have it, I say PRAY for it! ASK AND YE SHALL RECEIVE That’s what Jesus says. so what would be the point of asking, then waiting…in disbeleif because you don’t see results right away?
What I said was, that if an athlete claims that his victory was given by God, then he's also claiming that God made the losers lose, and thereby, the implication is that there is something "special" about that athlete; that in God's eyes, he is "better" than everyone else.
And to me, that is nothing more than arrogance of the worst kind.
Ok than I must have misinterpreted something somewhere^^ back there..i appologize as well for an assumtions made.
In fact I...somehow..agree with part of your statement, in the way which you have explianed the previous statement. Claiming a victory was given by God, is just silly. You earned the victory, buy being a better competitor, in some way. One should thank God for giving one the abilities that led to the victory...which in a sence is giving Him his due glory, for the victory. But I would have to agree that if one says God gave them victory, it is going beyond what He requires. and it's undertandable if it would upset, even me--especially if I was on the other team!
Everything He has spoken remains true for all time. The Bible is not all His word. Many authors have added to it, so it does contain Historial events from different perspectives…And not disreguard the words of God, because of the inconsitancy of man, and his many literary flaws.
So, how do you know what was added after Jerm?
Well I don’t for shure. But in my Bible there are clues like…“AND THEN THE LORD SAID-THIS”–to Moses or “AND JESUS SPOKE THIS” to the multitude. all the other words not mentioned this way, are those of the authors. Does that clear anything up?
and Tom…really…skinless wieners? What kind of heathen are you? “Blasphemy” is the only appropriate response in a religion thread, especially since hot dogs ARE religion in Chicago. Anyone who isn’t a member of the Holy church of Vienna Beef is pretty much an outcast.
the there’s Hot Doug’s, the one true shrine of encased meats:
Speaking of hot dogs, the world’s greatest hot dog is made in my home town of Flint Michigan
And here I was thinking it’s only product was Micheal Moore…
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But in my Bible there are clues like…“AND THEN THE LORD SAID-THIS”–to Moses or “AND JESUS SPOKE THIS” to the multitude. all the other words not mentioned this way, are those of the authors.
Jerm, anyone could wrtie that though - especially someone unscrupulous enough to use the idea of a god for their own means. Just because it says so, doesn’t make it so.
But, I guess that’s why it’s called faith.
[smartarse]“And then the lord said this - Willy is the new boss, all do as he says”[/smartarse]
clava, in this case you needn’t have faith, for you too can experience the gnosis of the Kogel’s. You too will be forgiven your heresy; indeed, it is the way of all flesh to be seduced by the red hots of Satan, but I glory in the truth for I have tasted God’s own weiner…um, that doesn’t sound quite right, does it?
Aussie ID? Now, there’s something to make one stop and think…
“See, it all began back in the dream time when kangaroo fella and wombat fella were sat around the billabong and sharing a tinny and a meat pie floater…”
“Wot I reckon mate” says kangaroo fella gazing into the surrounding blue-black nothingness of eternity, “what I reckon, is we need a bit of culture around here, some blokes and sheilas like.”
“Good on ya mate” says Wombat fella, “let’s just pour the rest of this tinny and meat pie floater into the water and see what happens”.
“No worries” says kangaroo fella watching the spreading ripples…"So Wommers, diya reckon anything interesting will come of it?"
