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Quote: (teryeah @ Sep. 26 2008, 4:50 PM)

Jeez Levi

Sorry to many diggs at n and also they imply that they want to nurture the child.
If they are so knowledgeable it should be easy for them to prove it. Like the saying goes "put up or zip it". I say contact flavio with your information and do some real good like mature parents.

N track works just fine here, I don't have r on my machine. :D
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Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 26 2008, 5:03 PM)

Quote: (teryeah @ Sep. 26 2008, 4:50 PM)

Jeez Levi

Sorry to many diggs at n and also they imply that they want to nurture the child.
If they are so knowledgeable it should be easy for them to prove it.
Like the saying goes "put up or zip it".
I say contact flavio with your information and do some real good like mature parents.


N track works just fine here, I don't have r on my machine.
:D

Did you even read what Bubba said further up here?

[quote=Bubbagump back on page 9]
There was a time when I was putting in bug reports many times a day a doing my part. But after so many months and no improvement, you get put off. [/quote]

For the record: I'm not bashing ANYone, least of all Flavio. ATM I'm sitting firmly on my fence.

I came in at V 3.0 (late 2001) & got GREAT functionality & stability with one of those un-approved-by-phoo AMD/VIA combos. phoo will probably remember I had NO problems of any kind.
When that machine died V4 was the new breed. Couldn't handle V3 projects even if the then new DAW carried twice the punch of the old DAW. Clunk-hickup-splutter!

I never bought V5 but I still keep my hopes up for V6.
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Heck! I just realised that after doing a pretty succesfull thread-derailing back on page 1, I’m now guilty of keeping this thing back on track…

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Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 26 2008, 5:03 PM)

Quote: (teryeah @ Sep. 26 2008, 4:50 PM)

Jeez Levi

Sorry to many diggs at n and also they imply that they want to nurture the child.
If they are so knowledgeable it should be easy for them to prove it.
Like the saying goes "put up or zip it".
I say contact flavio with your information and do some real good like mature parents.


N track works just fine here, I don't have r on my machine.
:D

Do this; Load a virtual instrument and make a one measure long MIDI clip to drive it. Now highlight the loop and choose "Looped Playback". Does it loop smoothly? NO! Try it again but with an AUDIO clip. Does it loop smoothly? NO! Do the other guys (Cubase, Magix, Reaper et. al.) loop smoothly? Yes...

Try dragging a MIDI clip to a track. Fine. Now drag another to the SAME track. What happens? n makes a NEW track. You have to futz and schmutz around to get the two clips on the same track and delete the extra ones as you go. PITA! Do the aforementioned "other guys" exhibit this bizarre behavior? No...

Try loading up two or three virtual instruments driven by MIDI tracks. Now, add a track and use FreeAmp for a guitar "effect" and try to overdub a guitar part. Is everything smooth and in time across all tracks? NO! Can you get your buffers/latency down low enough so that your guitar is in time and smooth? NO! If you get the latency down to a playable level, your playback clucks, sputters and farts. PITA! Can you do it with the "other guys"? Yes...

Those are just a few samples of what oodles and oodles of potential n users run into and they leave. There are several more. Since I am on the outs around here, I don't feel like writing a book. Have these problems been reported? Yes! Bunches of times over three or four years... Is it better yet? No... That is why some of us have the frustration level (and high blood pressure) that we have. We get a new, full digit revision with a 40 buck price tag, no new features to speak of and the same years old bugs and under performing audio engine. I can forget the lack of features if the audio performance was up to snuff. It ain't. I don't care what system you run it on. If the other guys stuff works on my system, n can and should be made to work as well or better.

I'm not going on and on about n-Track's successful use for some of you, I'm talking about POTENTIAL NEW USERS. I have sent gobs of guys over here to download and try n-Track. They always come back to me disappointed. I can't blame THEM now can I?

In any kind of business, you either keep moving forward or you die. Simple. Nature of the beast. I don't want n to stagnate or die altogether. If you want me to examine my "campaign" as you call it, I would suggest everybody here examine their own as well. You yourself have written about the "voo-doo" BS you have to leap through to get n to work sometimes. Why? Why? WHY? Don't just go "Hmph, oh well..." and put up with it. Piss! Moan! You are not doing Flavio any favors by hiding your displeasure.

Think about it.

Look Levi... I concede. You WIN! YOU are happy. To heck with everyone else right?

Can we let this die now? Please? :peace:

D
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Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 26 2008, 5:33 PM)

Look Levi... I concede. You WIN! YOU are happy. To heck with everyone else right?

How can anyone so smart ask such a dumb question? This has nothing to do with me. :whistle:
I don't do midi, and don't ever expect to. Don't want to, wont.

But now you've proved it, nTrack sucks for your needs. I believe you. Now that you have a nice condensed outline of some of the issues why not email Flavio?

:peace:
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Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 26 2008, 5:33 PM)

You are not doing Flavio any favors by hiding your displeasure.

Think about it.

Don't worry I make plenty of waves when it's broke. But I have to say I don't have those issues. So for me it's fine. And when I say that, I'm saying that so others who come here reading posts to see if they should download the program will see that there are people having good experiences with nTrack. What's wrong with that? It's not about ME being happy.
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:laugh: I rest my case.
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You should!

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I’m still at an out of town conference so please don’t read anyhting into my ‘silence’ in this thread.
Conflict and discussion are healthy tools though. I do wish Flavio would read this thread and comment.

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D:
I don’t see you as a “traitor”.
I know what you are saying and I have to hand it to you for giving it your best.
You too, Bubba.
You guys were here when I started this hobby and were of tremendous help…especially when I was trying to learn MIDI.
I’ve moved on but enjoy the comraderie here too much to totally go elsewhere.
As far as the software, well…

cliff

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Definition of a patriot isn’t the ones who wave the flag and praise the leader, it’s the ones who stand up and shout "Hey this is wrong!"
This can be implemented into all things human: government, software, guitars, hearing aids, depends, kitty litter, whatever.

I come here to take no sides, I come here neither to bash/praise nTrack, I’m simply stating that some things need fixing and it’s been over looked for at least 2 different versions now.

The forum in itself is to me hosted by nTrack but actually made up of the people! Good people one and all I might add! Talented and very responsive people to other’s needs. So when people such as Diogenes and Bubba bring to light what is wrong or lacking from the program, and they have been very helpful in the past to others I can’t find them to be “Bashing” or “Piss and Moaners”, I find them to be “Patriots” :cool:

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:agree:
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Sorry I’m not playing the role of the bad guy around here. Hey I’ve been here since 98. And besides we weren’t debating the right and wrong of reporting poblems. We are talking about some people taking every instance to impling that hurds of people are dropping nTrack for other programs. And that just isn’t true. I didn’t call D a pisser and moaner, he did lol Intimidation is a lame tactic to get things accomplished IMO and I’m personally always going to challenge anyone who does that.

But I am saying this; If you’ve taken yrs to imply that there is something wrong, simply get off your butts and do something about it. Do you think that kicking the table and pouting is going to do it? Doubt that! Get busy and do something about it. Or quite implying. nTrack works fantastic for me and my wav situations.
nTrack has been great for me.
Levi

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You guys aren’t naive enough to think that Flavio has time to go around reading every post for possible clues on what to fix do you? Come on y’all know better than that.

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Dang i guess you’re right Levi!


Thanks fer the memories nTrack! :agree:


Yaz OUT!

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Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 28 2008, 7:18 PM)

Sorry I'm not playing the role of the bad guy around here.
Hey I've been here since 98.
And besides we weren't debating the right and wrong of reporting poblems.
We are talking about some people taking every instance to impling that hurds of people are dropping nTrack for other programs. And that just isn't true.
I didn't call D a pisser and moaner, he did lol
Intimidation is a lame tactic to get things accomplished IMO and I'm personally always going to challenge anyone who does that.

But I am saying this;
If you've taken yrs to imply that there is something wrong, simply get off your butts and do something about it.
Do you think that kicking the table and pouting is going to do it?
Doubt that!
Get busy and do something about it.
Or quite implying.
nTrack works fantastic for me and my wav situations.
nTrack has been great for me.
Levi

Well as long as it works for YOU!

Nice.
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If you've taken yrs to imply that there is something wrong, simply get off your butts and do something about it.


NOPE! I'm not going to be a "reverse paid" Beta tester anymore. To help troubleshoot V6 I WOULD HAVE TO BUY IT! That ain't happening. Bug reports always yielded the same results anyway. NOTHING.

I'm done.

Thanks for the (mostly BAD) memories n-Track! :agree:

D - tired of the BS
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Nobody did more than Diogenes to try and make version 6 work. It didn’t work for him and doesn’t work for him, and that’s ok. If it works for you use it (I do), if it doesn’t, then use something else and just come here to spin a yarn or two and share some music. Hell, we don’t all drive the same car!
Let it lie please!!!

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Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 28 2008, 8:18 PM)

But I am saying this; If you've taken yrs to imply that there is something wrong, simply get off your butts and do something about it. Do you think that kicking the table and pouting is going to do it? Doubt that! Get busy and do something about it. Or quite implying. nTrack works fantastic for me and my wav situations.
nTrack has been great for me.

Let's clarify....

Imply - to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement.

No one is implying. We are directly stating.

As for get off your butts and do something... um, we have... for the past 4 years at least since it got buggy in the 4.x series. And it hasn't gotten better.
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