D
Well…we’re almost back to the bad old days!
I really don’t understand this, if N doesn’t work for you…don’t use it…period.
If you have no intention of ever using it, there’s nothing to be gained by bitching about it in the N forum.
If N works for you…fine!
If it doesn’t…let it lie!
If N doesn’t do it for u, so be it, stick around here, share your music, and stay in the circle of friends. Sometimes this is just a nice place to be!
It doesn’t matter to me who uses what software, I like to hang here because of the people.
Usually comrads, sometimes not.
No big deal.
But I will offer this:
If someone came to this forum and started telling everyone how good ProTools, Sonar or Cubase is while knocking the product that supports this forum, I think most here would run them off.
Rather just hang around and shoot the breeze if nothing else…
cliff
It was never my intent to open up an “N” bash session.
N-track has worked wonderfully for me over the years. While living in the Chicago area, the band I was playing with used N-Track to self record, mix, mastered with T-Rex, and sold CDs at our shows, about 2200 cds over a 2 years period. I used N-track to do a couple of songs for sound tracks for Indy films. Last year a local TV station was looking for background music for a 30 second blip. Again I used N-Track.
My intention was a thank you to Flavio for his years of hard work, and for an affordable, easy to use program, that for many years fit my needs.
DUFF
Holy CRAP fellers! I am NOT bashing n-Track!! I WAS just pointing out areas of needed improvement in comparison to other software that works better. If everybody wants n to just stay the way it is and wither and die, FINE. In case you haven’t noticed, the n user base is shrinking rather than enlarging. Sure a few people pop in with the usual questions about why something doesn’t work as advertised or they can’t figure something out. Then they vanish. Almost no one comes back and says “Hey! This is GREAT, everything works swell!” By any kind of reasonable estimate, the user base is shrinking and has been for some time now. This used to be a HOT place.
I care because n-Track is basically a good program, has about the best looking GUI going and is relatively easy to use, specially for noobs. The ‘look’ won’t make it compete though. You can’t have a Ferrari with a four banger Pinto engine under the hood and run with the Lamborghini’s. The old chipset issue and a bunch of other illogical excuses that keep getting thrown out are just that; excuses. The other guys can do it on the same systems without the “voo-doo”. I stopped doing anything in the General Forum because Flavio himself popped in and basically said ‘Hush" and just wantonly ‘dismissed’ another bug by saying it wasn’t really a bug. I don’t buy the “Flavio is just one guy.” excuse either. Justin Frankel is “just one guy”. Only recently has he added another chap to help. You guys want no criticism here at all constructive or otherwise so again, FINE.
I’m not mad at anyone and I hope nobody is mad at ME. I just don’t understand why so many are okay with mediocre. Oh well… that’s what I get for giving a crap… sorry. I forget that caring is not politically correct these days… It’s taken as a negative, weak attribute.
To quote the late, great, Minnie Pearl; "We’s through playin’ now."
D - “The hard headed one?” Pffft! Holy crap…
PS DUFF? This ain’t your fault dude. Take care and hang in there eh?
What he said. Again, I love N… or at least did. And there are a lot of things I wish I could use it on. (Plenty of friends who need very basic recording abilities that N would fit the bill for perfectly.) We are not bashing. Again, this is a matter of telling the kid to improve his grades to the point where we KNOW he can perform. Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor too, but we aren’t on their forum as we simply don’t care about Sonor. We care about N and its future. It is very frustrating for myself and D to see something that we have used and loved for nearly 10 years wither and die. Many issues have been floating around for YEARS now and to not have those addressed is beyond frustrating. There was a time when I was putting in bug reports many times a day a doing my part. But after so many months and no improvement, you get put off. Let’s all agree to just let this thread die and I am very guilty myself of saying too much.
So any way, this whole creationism thing… what a load of bollux. And Republicans? What a bunch of crooks!
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The problem that I have with focused posts from D and Bubbagum about nTrack faults are the fact that they both continue to imply doom for nTrack. An example of that from each:
D continually implies that n is going to vanish saying things like; “If everybody wants n to just stay the way it is and wither and die”
It’s pretty obvious Flavio is hard at work.
Bubbagum continues to imply the like: “Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor too”. Implying that we are leaving n in herds for something else.
N works great!
D and Bubba, I like you guys a lot. Well I would like bubba a lot more if he weren’t a “racist bigot”. but I personally would like to see you parents handle your campaign to bring n up to great standards a diffrent way. How about some proof that the guts of ntrack are full of bandages and splices as you suggest. Have you looked at the nTrack script?
And then possibly a patiton(spellme)? Or how about a letter from you two to Flavio in private? Or even a phone call. It’s almost obvious that y’all like and care for nTrack. I sense that. And it’s right to warn potential buyers but on the other hand don’t you notice the fact that so many are running V6 with favorable results?
D? Bugga? Do either of you own a recent build of V6? As it is Flavio is probably reading this and thinking; Huh, two or three out of a big bunch complaining.
Levi
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Let's all agree to just let this thread die and I am very guilty myself of saying too much.
Ditto. I'm done with this subject. No amount of explanation on my part is going to prove anything.
To all: Live, Love, Be Happy
D
PS Forget the politics crap Bubba. Let's talk GUITARS some more instead! Anybody ever played a Malden electric?
I want to form the ‘n-Track’ loyalist party,
and wage war on all non-believers. Maybe a
militant arm of the n-Trackers. There maybe
a video game in this - followed by a movie.
With a soundtrack created with n-Track.
wow…defensive bunch around here.
Since the dawn of the n-track age, Flavio has basically asked us to pay to be his test group/Q & A group.
It has been painful in many ways…I am not sure I could take another instance of Mac saying "drivers, drivers, drivers…"
N-track started as a beauty and to some, her beauty has faded.
And we, the people who use the stuff, want to restore the beauty across the board.
As our Slickest of Presidents said…“I feel your pain” and Monica’s tush too, but I digress.
Bubba and D have provided hours of help and I think their frustration stems from the fact that some things, for some people just flat DO NOT WORK properly.
Funny, this is true in all DAW’s.
Someone has to point out the problems!!
The squeaky wheel and all that…
So why the defensive posture from users?
I would think you, and Flavio in particular, would welcome feeback intended to improve YOUR product.
These guys are not just trolling this board for shits and giggles.
I guarantee you, if N-track WORKED reliably, they are the type who would say so and use the thing.
Period.
To silence their voice makes this group weaker.
Just my opinion.
And Telecasters rule…other stuff drools.
"Real Tomato Ketchup Eddie?"
Clark
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Sep. 26 2008, 2:41 PM)
I want to form the 'n-Track' loyalist party,
and wage war on all non-believers. Maybe a
militant arm of the n-Trackers. There maybe
a video game in this - followed by a movie.
With a soundtrack created with n-Track.
Thing is 7 o' 11, I would want to join the party but almost everyone has already labeled me 'TRAITOR'.
Hi Clark, thanks for the werdz bro'...
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Someone has to point out the problems!!
The squeaky wheel and all that...
Now lessee... where have I heard that before?
D
PS So no one has seen/played a Malden? LINKY-POO...
Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 26 2008, 11:31 AM)
Bubbagum continues to imply the like: "Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor too". Implying that we are leaving n in herds for something else.
To clarify... I am meaning folks are leaving Sonar for other products. Not that N users are going to Sonor. (I dunno, maybe some are...) And I am not implying.
Any who, guitars work great. Whatever will start a fight. So, how much do Gibsons suck? I mean really? And Fender, if I wanted a boat paddle I would hit a canoe livery, not a music store.
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Any who, guitars work great. Whatever will start a fight. So, how much do Gibsons suck? I mean really? And Fender, if I wanted a boat paddle I would hit a canoe livery, not a music store.
Why I oughta...
D - boat paddle player... whatever works...
Karl Malden?
He was awesome in “Miracle on Ice”
Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor, Cubendo, PT, Audition, Logic…the list goes on forever and the party never ends.
All I know is that my old IBM thinkpad with 512mb running v3.3 is still being used at my drummers house. He is a drummer, so we don’t try to get him to read or try new technology for fear of universal implosion. It’s the one DAW he can handle without me being there!
And for that alone, I owe Flavio a world of thanks and the $49 bucks or whatever it cost to register that puppy way back when.
So, I too can say…“works fine for me(him)” and still wish and hope for bigger, faster, stronger, better.
Where is Mr. Soul with some soothing Neil Young music that will bring peace on earth and low latency to men?
"Nothing but the best…"
Clark
For some soothing ol’ Neil, try this: http://www.guitars101.com/forums…38.html
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Sep. 26 2008, 3:37 PM)
Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 26 2008, 11:31 AM)
Bubbagum continues to imply the like: "Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor too". Implying that we are leaving n in herds for something else.
To clarify... I am meaning folks are leaving Sonar for other products. Not that N users are going to Sonor. (I dunno, maybe some are...) And I am not implying.
"Lots of folks are bailing on Sonor too".
That simply "implies" that lots of people are bailing on nTrack. those are your words. So yes you did imply. And infact you and D use subtle little implications like that every chance you get. Those implications could be turning some people away. And those implications are what a lot of us are tired of hearing. Like I asked before, where is your proof? Maybe some of your problems your having with ntrack is because you have R on your machine too.
Any guitar is a good guitar, just have to set it up to suit you. Stereotypes want whats in. Sometimes what's in is what's not popular. The great old guitars will always be at the top of the list.
Quote: (clark_griswold @ Sep. 26 2008, 4:02 PM)
I owe Flavio a world of thanks and the $49 bucks or whatever it cost to register that puppy way back when.
So, I too can say..."works fine for me(him)" and still wish and hope for bigger, faster, stronger, better.
Clark
Jeez Levi, all that proof babble - leave it alone. Bubba & D know what they’re talking about whether you agree with them or not. They’ve been doing this for a loooong time.
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Sep. 26 2008, 2:41 PM)
I want to form the 'n-Track' loyalist party,
and wage war on all non-believers. Maybe a
militant arm of the n-Trackers. There maybe
a video game in this - followed by a movie.
With a soundtrack created with n-Track.
Think that game should be called "pin the tail on the donkey"