Good Lord… can you imagine a song contest similar to the n-Track contest held here with only 363 potential submitters versus managing a contest with almost TEN THOUSAND potential submitters? Holy smokes! Not ME brother! 
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They have contests in the Soundclick Seniors Forum. Even though Soundclick claims to have several million registered users, it only takes a few weeks…but its always the same dozen or so people who join in. To do much there takes a loooonnnngggg time because trying to please everyone seems to be pretty time consuming…setting up rules and bla bla…and most members don’t pay that much attention to the forums anyway.
cliff
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 23 2008, 9:43 PM)
NOPE! Not a bit lonely!
EVERYBODY knows where the real action is...
D
In case you didn't notice, nTrack works really very well.
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 24 2008, 8:19 AM)
Good Lord... can you imagine a song contest similar to the n-Track contest held here with only 363 potential submitters versus managing a contest with almost TEN THOUSAND potential submitters? Holy smokes! Not ME brother!
D
How many user names you running over there at R, D?
One…
I have THREE here… Diogenes, Gtr4Him and Ares.
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In case you didn’t notice, nTrack works really very well.
For YOU… and I am proud for you!
CLICK ME
You were saying? Stupid s$%t like that has NEVER happened to me with ‘R’.
D
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 24 2008, 8:55 PM)
You were saying? Stupid s$%t like that has NEVER happened to me with 'R'.
D
Hi D,
I took a look at your "click me" link/poster. Did that happen to you too?
it went someting like this: "downloaded and installed version 6, Decided I was happy with my version 5x. Uninstalled 6 and lost my direct-x plug-ins (the basic compressor, equalizer, reverb etc..then n wanted to connect to the internet etc."
The Direct X Plugs probably just need the paths shown again.
nTrack not connecting is a simple one check box click in prefrences.
That's not much to complain about or cuss over.
V6 over v5 is definitely worth the small upgrade fee.
Levi
Just to throw in a few comments to the topic(s) in this thread, at random:
I have been playing a LP copy for 20 years now and liked it. I got a (mexican) Tele a couple of years ago, and now this is my guitar of choice - I just happen to like the sound of it, that’s why. I was, however, considering taking out a second mortgage when tempted by a 1963 Telecaster Relic (Yum!) in a Copenhagen shop some years ago. Out of tune, with no amp connected, and looking like it had been battered and drawn across the stage for every single night since leaving the factory, it still sounded like a dream come true! I hope some “real” musician gets to play on it sometime.
I, too, has left n-track Studio for greener DAW pastures… I did, however, manage to record a commercial project with n-Track Studio before we parted ways (The mixdown and mastering were done in Samplitude, though.)
The few, painful issues I have had with n-Track Studio were impossible to solve or live with in the long run, so I settled for a Steinberg product. However, I do sometimes miss VSTi’s crashing n-Track Studio (and the DAW to the level of BSOD, too), 24 bit mono recordings coming out as a constant, digital hiss at 0 dB, MIDI doing whatever new trick it can think of every time I try to do something I have done thousands of times before, and struggling with Aux channel gain mismatch and incurable latency when using any plug-in on it… - I don’t even think I remember what latency sounds like anymore…
regards, Nils
Quote: (Levi @ Sep. 24 2008, 11:59 PM)
Quote: (Diogenes @ Sep. 24 2008, 8:55 PM)
You were saying? Stupid s$%t like that has NEVER happened to me with 'R'.
D
Hi D,
I took a look at your "click me" link/poster.
Did that happen to you too?
it went someting like this: "downloaded and installed version 6,
Decided I was happy with my version 5x.
Uninstalled 6 and lost my direct-x plug-ins (the basic compressor, equalizer, reverb etc..then n wanted to connect to the internet etc."
The Direct X Plugs probably just need the paths shown again.
nTrack not connecting is a simple one check box click in prefrences.
That's not much to complain about or cuss over.
V6 over v5 is definitely worth the small upgrade fee.
Levi
Hi Levi,
Sorry for the crass comment eh? But really and in all seriousness, I am (was) sick to death of the uninstall/reinstall, reset Preferences and other crazy stuff that goes on attempting to keep n-Track running. All that just to get it running, then it crashes under all sorts of normal conditions and the PDC doesn't work properly amongst several other deal breakers. As I mentioned before, some folks may not find these bugs annoying or even know they exist because they don't work the way I do. However, basic things like properly installing a software "upgrade" should not break anything like mentioned in the post I linked. It's sloppy programming pure and simple. Sorry, sometimes the truth hurts.
There is no need to try to help me "troubleshoot" n-Track. I no longer have any version of n-Track installed and do not plan on re-installing. I don't have the patience for it anymore. (Gettin' old and grouchy I guess...) What I have works and is just so much more feature rich for what I need, it would be a MAJOR step backward to go back to n-Track. Besides, in order to run V6, I'd have to buy a new license "upgrade" and honestly there's nothing there to make it worth it. No new features worth talking about, the same bugs that have existed for years with only a slight performance increase are not what I call a good investment for my upgrade dollars.
All that said, if n-Track works for some folks that's fantastic and great news for FaSoft.
I've made some good buds here and like hanging out swapping lies. To keep the peace though, I think it's time to hush with the criticism of n-Track. It is what it is. Period. I'll see you around here and the music forum but I have placed myself off-limits to the General Forum. I can't stand to see people asking for help so I keep feeling compelled to jump in and sometimes it leads to asinine conversations that cause me to want to bring out the "Hey, this sucks. Did you try XXX DAW to see if IT works?" and that is inappropriate on a product specific forum or so I have been told. Criticism is not allowed either so what you get from n-Track is what you get. If you like it, like it and be happy, just DON'T complain.
Later bro'...
D
Yeah, I only help with general recording questions myself anymore round these parts. The particulars to the voodoo required to get N to behave is nothing I care to delve into. (Voodoo was status quo on DAWs 5 years ago, but not necessary anymore.) I am just too tired to repeat a hundred times about resettings preferences, keep devices open, uninstall/reinstall, drivers, video cards, ad nauseum to fix the 1001 one things possibly wrong with N. If it works for you, super.
I’m seeing confidence waning here,
just like on Wall Steet.
Suprisingly, N is running on my dell lattitude
pretty well.
Heh, my confidence was gone in the late v4 builds/v5 debacle.
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Sep. 25 2008, 12:27 PM)
Heh, my confidence was gone in the late v4 builds/v5 debacle.
Yup... bummer...
D
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Sep. 25 2008, 12:02 PM)
I'm seeing confidence waning here,
just like on Wall Steet.
Suprisingly, N is running on my dell lattitude
pretty well.
There are a few who are impatient. But hey they have a point to since n is for sale.
I'm just a writer and musician so I'm not trying to do any sessions for hire. nTrack V6 works great for my needs. Recording ideas, recording sessions, editing, mixing and mastering, and experimenting with and using ntrack effects. I'm not always happy with the little things that happen with installing nTrack's new builds. So like me you should wait for the V6 "CHOICE BUILD" before you bitch to much. Because that's where your level of expertise is needed most, really. Not with the newer builds. Let the newer users handle those problems, you paid your dues on the install issues yrs ago, as I have. I'm personally looking forward to the V6 CHOICE build. And even with what I have and using my Delta1010 I could do some very successful sessions for hire if I wanted to.
D, you've been a great help with some of the tougher problems. Hey, my hat is off to you for all that!
Levi
Err, no. I pay for a product, it is supposed to work as advertised. A “choice” build is a rationalization to the previous inferior builds. It should still be in beta if we are waiting for a “choice” build. Working out bugs is for paid staff or knowing volunteers. And we aren’t talking small bugs here. Small bugs I can handle. But the basic inner working of the underlying audio engine not working? Not acceptable in any build. As for waiting, it has been 3 years and I am still waiting. Again, if you are happy with it, fine. I just expect better from a product that gave me years of satisfaction up to a few years ago. We aren’t kicking a man when he is down here. We are more telling our child to improve his grades to the level we KNOW he can perform at.
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Sep. 25 2008, 1:43 PM)
Err, no. I pay for a product, it is supposed to work as advertised. A "choice" build is a rationalization
I'm sorry Bubba but Flavio has to be Flavio. If I where his general manager I would say; "release it when it's right for the market and not before that". But we aren't
running Flavio's business, he has to be himself. You could probably blame microsoft for setting the acceptance for releasing and patching software because it's been the norm for software for a very long time now, you know that very well.
A choice build is the best, the cream of the crop, a reality in the software world.
No if, ands or errs about it.
No, we are not running it for him. We are specifically saying what it is we as consumers expect especially based on the current state of the market and what else is available. He can choose to heed that or not and suffer/enjoy the consequences whatever they may be. IMO N is broken at a very basic level and Flav’s business is suffering because of it. I don’t see his balance sheet, but the fact this place is a ghost town is quite indicative to me of the market’s reaction to N. Again, minor bugs I can handle and yes all things have them. But 3 years to fix PDC and still flaky VSTi handling after what, 5 years? Not to mention the litany of odd ball hardware conflicts. That is just silly to defend as it is just so core to the working of the application and at a minimum these issues do not exist in other similar products to the degree they do in N. It is like Photoshop going 5 years only able to work in black and white and never on Nvidia cards.
This is a dead, mutilated, and rendered horse at this point. I have said too much myself. So any who, whatever works for you, use it. Just don’t expect me to agree with your assessment of said product or have any sympathy should anything burn up.
Excuse me while a rant and make enemies.
So why do folks keep hanging around and harping that it doesn’t work for them, and take every opportunity that presents itself to say it doesn’t work for them? If someone has no intention of helping debug the product then don’t complain that it doesn’t work for you. And no it’s not your job to do that. But it would be helpful to everyone.
I’ve got three machines at home and five at work. n-Tracks works fine on them usually (except for the one that has started shutting down). When someone has an issue I try to repro the problem on my machines when I get time. Sometimes I can – sometimes I can’t.
If Reaper works USE IT. Be happy.
If n-Tracks doesn’t then don’t use it. Be happy.
You have nothing to complain about if you aren’t using it and have no intention of using it. And so far that’s been made clear MANY times by some of you. Do we need to hear it yet again?
Here’s a tip that have served me well through the years: Don’t by a motherboard if it has a VIA chipset. Buy only motherboards with Intel chipsets. Maybe I’ve avoided all these bugs in the app by avoiding specific hardware.
(Doesn’t mean all Intel chips are good - doesn’t mean all VIA are bad.)
Skip it…
I had something but nevermind…
No worries phoo. In case you didn’t read it I was gonna post a link to #67 in this thread but whatever…
D
PS This IS the “Anything Else” sub forum? Right?
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Anything else
Anything off-topic in the other forums
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Quote: (phoo @ Sep. 25 2008, 5:14 PM)
Here's a tip that have served me well through the years: Don't by a motherboard if it has a VIA chipset. Buy only motherboards with Intel chipsets. Maybe I've avoided all these bugs in the app by avoiding specific hardware.
(Doesn't mean all Intel chips are good - doesn't mean all VIA are bad.)
I'll be proctive and help debug:
N doesn't work well with VIA chipsets. Many other DAWs work just fine on any chipset from Intel, VIA, ATI, or NVidia. Therefore it is known that audio applications CAN run reliably on VIA chipsets with any number of combinations of video or audio cards. Please make N run reliably on VIA chipsets regardless of configuration. Earlier builds of N (4.1 era) ran fine on VIA chipsets.
Of course, it’s not just n-Tracks that has problems with VIA.
This is from http://www.echoaudio.com/Support/Other/Problematic_Motherboards.php
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This is a list of motherboards that we have tested and found to be incompatible. We do not recommend these motherboards for use with Echo PCI products.
ASROCK 775Dual-VSTA-VIA PT880 Pro/Ultra Chipset
(Incompatibilty found with PCI hardware, AudioFire okay.)
ASUS A7V8X-LA
ASUS A8V Deluxe
Gigabyte GA K8N Pro
Via Epia MII12000