Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 11 2010, 12:00 PM)
What a heap... I wouldn't be caught dead in a room like that! Too neat and *GASP!* CLEAN!!
UJ
What a heap... I wouldn't be caught dead in a room like that! Too neat and *GASP!* CLEAN!!
UJ
I meant pass the nachos not throw the nachos… That yer pepsi onda floor there?
Quote: (Unblown_Jonson @ Nov. 11 2010, 11:56 AM)
Definitely 24 bit though... give yourself some headroom and let 'er eat...
Oh, gosh.
Yes!
I forgot to comment on this.
I've found that recording in 24-bits vs. 16-bits makes a greater impact on the sound quality of the final product than just jacking up the sampling frequency (which in some cases can actually make things worse).
With all of the adjustments and effects that you guys apply in your projects, you can speak from far more experience than I can on this topic, but I experience the same thing in digital photography.
Hypothetically, if the only options that my hardware supported were 24-bit samples at 48 kHz or 16-bit samples at 192 kHz, I would choose the former every time.
Where high resolution digital audio is concerned, (at least) 24-bits per sample is a given.
The Audio Engineering Society has published papers on this topic, including this one (which unfortunately is not free):
http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12986
Still, I'm tempted to pick it up and have a look.
:-)
This ARA paper states that "a linear PCM channel requires 21.5 bits resolution without noise-shaping to encode noiselessly from the average human hearing threshold to 120dB."
http://www.meridian-audio.com/ara/araconta.htm
I guess that sounds about right, and hopefully we have that much effective resolution left after making digital level adjustments and applying effects in post production. :-)
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 11 2010, 12:43 PM)
Though, then I would get into why 88.2k if you are using cheap mics and pres rather than Schoeps and Great River or whatever... though with $20k in speakers above (Legacy Focus, very nice), I have a feeling you may not be using anything that cheap.... though an 0404 or Edirol makes me go hmm? At the end of the day if you can actually hear it, then it is of course worth it.
Fair comments.
My various hobbies are all at different stages of evolution.
If I live long enough, they may someday converge.
Time will tell.
:-D
That said, the 0404 can actually sound surprisingly good as a playback device.
It uses same "Miracle DAC" AK4396 chip that's in the $2k Logitech Transporter and a few high end DACs.
The input and out buffers (and headphone amp) are all Class-A circuits.
However, it's certainly not perfect.
The power supply, POTs, and chassis are weak points in the implementation.
Fortunately, the power supply is a very easy upgrade.
I've replaced it with much more substantial linear regulated unit which has made a noticeable difference in dynamic impact, low bass extension, and noise floor.
The potentiometers should all be replaced with ALPS units, but I've not gotten around to doing that yet.
Finally shielding could probably be better given that the chassis is plastic (although I have not picked up any AM radio stations
yet).
Otherwise, it's certainly worth a listen before completely dismissing it.
:-)
The mics and preamps that I'm using are entry level at this point, although I think that I would have to spend about $1k or more on each to do much better.
I appreciate the Schopes and Great River references and will include these on my list of products to investigate when priorities and discretionary funds intersect.
Quote: (jeremysdemo @ Nov. 11 2010, 8:28 AM)
Ok for that here is what I suggest.
Start Ntrack and "Save as" Test1.
Now click New. (save changes and all that, although you haven't done anything your just creating files with names at this point)
NOW name this new file Test2, and save it, click new again.
Now open your original file (Test1) if You click File at the top you should see all the recent files you have saved on the bottom, Click TEST1 on that gray strip.
Record two mono's in Test1 for a bit.
NOW as it is recording and you are ready to start a different file, click the FILE tab and scroll down to your other file name (Test2)
when that goes to open Ntrack will just ask "save" click YES then immediately click RECORD in your new file, this takes approx 1/2 a second between the time the last file was recording and the new one, the first file just stops recording as soon as the new one is prompted to open so you don't have to click stop or save.
Oh and the other thing I did want to suggest for field recording is to bring a power conditioner and make sure you are using shielded cables for your digital audio transfer from the USB device.
That might seem like overkill to some people, however it is better to be safe than sorry and the power sources in live events and other interferences(ham radio, wireless mic/guitar systems, etc etc)
can produce all sorts of things you may not encounter at home.
keep shinin
jerm
See, this is why I love this forum...even though I'm new here.
The steps you suggested worked perfectly, and this seems to be the best solution so far. I appreciate your suggestion about shielded cables and the power conditioner (and perhaps even UPS...although it must be a model with a defeatable alarm, LOL) as well.
Thanks again!!
Quote: (Poppa Willis @ Nov. 11 2010, 2:02 PM)
I meant pass the nachos not throw the nachos.... That yer pepsi onda floor there?
Umm, yea. We don't even allow shoes in this room, so nachos and pepsi are pretty much out of the question. :-)
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 10 2010, 8:28 PM)
Quote: (Unblown_Jonson @ Nov. 10 2010, 6:44 PM)
... best just put in a bug report and/or feature request here;
http://forum.ntrack.com/cgi-bin/ikonforum/index.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=7901
I have submitted a new bug report:
http://ntrack.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=109
Thanks!
Hi,
I'll add the command to split and create new .wav files as they are recorded in the final 6.1.1, it's an easy addition because as you suggested the functionality to split the file being recorded is already there to get around the .wav files 2 Gb length limitation.
Incidentally if you want to avoid the split in the latest versions of n-Track that support wave64 format, you can set 0 (instead of 2000000000) as the "Split recorded files size.." in the Preferences/Options box, and n-Track will switch to a wave64 file when the length goes above 2 Gb, without splitting.
I've closed the Bugzilla bug because that's currently for bugs, but you can send feature requests, which are always welcome, by email to info@ntrack.com
Flavio.
What a great thread Gents…
Should be bookmarked and stored in the n-Track folder in the “Don’t Touch Drive”…
It touches all levels of comprehension…
I can remember being in control rooms back in the '60’s and '70’s and the Track Man had to clean the heads on the tape machine after every take…
You couldn’t see the Repro speakers for the Smoke in the Room…
You could never tell how busy that studio was back then… Now you can tell if they’re bust by how many guys are standing around in the parking lots, smoking their faces off…
What a way to go…
Bill…
Thank you Flavio, for hanging around the Board…
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 10 2010, 8:28 PM)
Quote: (Unblown_Jonson @ Nov. 10 2010, 6:44 PM)
... best just put in a bug report and/or feature request here;
http://forum.ntrack.com/cgi-bin/ikonforum/index.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=7901
I have submitted a new bug report:
http://ntrack.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=109
Thanks!
Wow!
Mr. Flavio just finished adding a "SPLIT" button for me!
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2010-11-12 04:31:54 ---
The feature will be in the next version of the program.
Regards,
Flavio.
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 11 2010, 9:20 PM)
discretionary funds
Hah! It doesn't matter how you try to spruce up the terms, the wermins will still beat you to it.
Quote: (Bubbagump @ Nov. 12 2010, 9:13 AM)
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 11 2010, 9:20 PM)
discretionary funds
Hah! It doesn't matter how you try to spruce up the terms, the wermins will still beat you to it.
True that, but when I step back a foot or two, I quickly realize that don't have much to complain about!
:-) Cheers.
Howdy,
To make sure that my setup is working glitch-free, I made a few recordings this weekend while helping my 10-year-old son with his piano practice. He’s working on “Carol of the Bells”, but it’s hard to get him to stop rushing. We’ll keep at it. LOL.
In this recording, he’s playing on our Petrof IV (5ft. 8in.) grand piano.
Beautiful Piano…
My Buddy, down the street has a Grand about that size…
I think his is a Yamaha…
The wood is Dark/Dark (Black)…
could it be teak wood
?
Bill…
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 14 2010, 10:43 AM)
Howdy,
To make sure that my setup is working glitch-free, I made a few recordings this weekend while helping my 10-year-old son with his piano practice.
He's working on "Carol of the Bells", but it's hard to get him to stop rushing.
We'll keep at it.
LOL.
In this recording, he's playing on our Petrof IV (5ft. 8in.) grand piano.
Continuing...(must have hit post rather than preview).
This may be somewhat unconventional, but here's how I ended up mic'ing the piano:
It's not so easy to see in the photo, but the mics are about 3.5" from the strings.
At first, I was thinking that this would be way too close, but the off-axis pickup pattern of these Rode NT5 mics is wider than you'd think (down less than 2dB at sixty degrees off-axis, I think).
Here's what we ended up with for sound:
Henry - Carol of the Bells.mp3
The good news that, even after several takes and leaving n-Track running, I have not noticed any "pops" or drop-outs yet.
I'm running the 64-bit version on Windows 7 Ultimate with an SSD internal hard drive.
Cheers!
Quote: (woxnerw @ Nov. 14 2010, 10:52 AM)
Beautiful Piano....
My Buddy, down the street has a Grand about that size..
I think his is a Yamaha..
The wood is Dark/Dark (Black)..
could it be teak wood
?Bill..
Thanks. :-)
Ours is glossy piano black on the outside. Probably a mistake since it's a fingerprint magnet! A neighbor has the exact same piano, but in natural wood grain. Oddly, we both have the same last name (no relation), and we use the same piano tuner. Drives him crazy since half the time he ends up going to the wrong house. LOL.
I know exactly what you mean…
Donny has his piano in his living room…
The first time I knew he had the piano I was all fingers over it…
till I realized it wasn’t finger-print proof…
Now when I go there, I’m fingers-off…
Those mics work pretty nice for that piano…
Mic positioning for a piano is…
In my opinion…
whatever-it-takes…
Two more NT5’s
hung up over the piano at some “sweet-spot” distance and mixed with two on the harp (in/at the “right” levels) would give you the Room’s “Energy” along with the mix…
Well…
?
Bill…
Quote: (woxnerw @ Nov. 14 2010, 11:46 AM)
...Two more NT5's
hung up over the piano at some "sweet-spot" distance and mixed with two on the harp (in/at the "right" levels) would give you the Room's "Energy" along with the mix..
Well...
?Bill..
Good suggestion. I've been looking for a reason to add at least one more NT5 to my setup. Thanks for having a listen!
I tried to open the second link…
BUT…
NO-GO…
Something wouldn’t allow it to open…
I’ll check again…
Bill…
[edit]
AaHh…
It opens now… Must have been on this end…
Great file…
Quote: (dmp-potn @ Nov. 14 2010, 11:23 AM)
This may be somewhat unconventional, but here's how I ended up mic'ing the piano:
Actually, that is quite common.... for a reason as I think you found out.
Petrof, eh? I haven't heard that name in a long while. Czechs make s fine pianer. Used to deal Petrof, Bechstein, and Kawai back in the day.
I don’t have anything useful to add to this thread, but that is really a nice recording. How do you get him to practice? I have those mics also, for drums and acoustic guitar, but they really really sound great on your piano. It does sound just a tiny little bit nasal, you need a nice room for the sound to bloom and cohere, I guess.