better/worse that ver 5 ?
have a dual boot here. (XP & 98SE)
But I didn’t want to put the NET 2 and Installer 3
on my 98SE partition.
Can you put on Ver 6 without the Net 2 stuff on 98SE
and still run?
I haven’t ran 98SE in a long, long time so I can’t try it for you. It stands to reason though that V6 should run now that the .NET framework/runtime is optional. I bet you will have to use the updated installer though to even get V6 to install.
Lemme see if I have an unused machine floating around here at work with 98 on it… you have me curious.
D
I see - might need MS Installer 3 just to install
ver 6 on 98se
I got a testbed 98se ghost I can throw on and try,
don’t go to a whole lot a trouble - was just wondering
if anyone had tried it yet.
Hi sevenOfeleven:
I got '98SE installed on this P-4 again…
I’m working out the config pattern I had on this Operating System…
It was a long haul…
I’ll be re-building this '98SE Build for many weeks to come…
I used to have n-Track v4 and v5 latest builds…
The v4 build is 2099 and the v5 build is 2313…
I had a Third Party SP 2pac, .NET v2.0 and MS Installer v3.0 or v3.1 on this Operating System…
As well, I had MS SP v1.1
They used to appear on the
ADD/REMOVE Program List in the Devise Manager…
However, the Installer doesn’t appear on that list anymore…
The other two applications are there…
Now, I am unable to install v5 b2313 or v6.0 on this desk…
The installer launches…
but it is unable to complete the n-Track installs…
A POP-up screen appears saying that a device .dll is not installed properly and that the n-Track installation is unable to complete and the install has to close…
The only n-Track version I can install on the P-4 '98SE desk is b2099…It’s no BIG DEAL to me…
I’ll only be using the '98SE Desk for tracking with the Lexicon CORE=32 audio Hardware …
I am even considering reverting back to v3.3 b1516As I recall, that build works quite well with the CORE=32 Hardware…
AND…
the '98SE Desk…
The MS Installer must be corrupt-or-something…
that is not allowing me to install V5 and v6 builds…
of n-Track…
Who Knows.
?
Bill…
[EDIT]
The issues with this p-4 Dual Boot Maxchine was the C-MOS button Memory Cell and a faulty 5v/12v molex “Y” Cable/Splitter…I have to re-build the XP Drive-and-operating System again for the third time…
sigh…
[EDIT}
Would you have any suggestions as to where and how I might start to resolve this installer issue, I have on this desk/build ?
Hey Bill,
Well that’s some good detective work on your part.
Cables can be hard to pin down. Good work.
The N download page says Installer 3.0 - It shows up
as installed on my XP machine, and I probably could remove it using
the add/remove programs. But since yours doesn’t show up in add/remove,
I’m not sure even what to search for to remove.
Did a little checking on the net, basicly I think you may
just want to install MSI 3.2 Installer - there is some bug
in 3.0 that affects a few machines anyway’s, so might as well
just update to 3.2
Hi sevenOfeleven:
Thanks for your reply…
I’ve tried to protect this P-4 Dual Boot Machine to a point where I don’t have it in the studio anymore…
I have it stacked on top of this P-111 machine…
It appears that I’m spending way too much time waiting for security updates that are available to keep these machines “Current” and Up-to-Date… At this very moment I’m waiting for a series of files and Microsoft updates to download…
The size of the files are 35 meg…
It’s gonna take close to 3 hours to get this, shorter if I don’t tie up the modem surfing the message boards and reading-and-replying to all the gossip…
Every time I get HIT
I promise myself that It wouldn’t happen again…
I will be more diligent and watch and be more protective of my machines as to where I Surf-and-Browse…
Ronnie (rbops)…
the guy who manages many of the Music Related Sites around these parts tells me I need to stay away from the Porn Sites…
If surfing the Audio Message Boards are 'Porn Sites"…
then I have to pay closer attention to what he says…
You mentioned the C-MOS Memory Cell… I didn’t listen to your advise…
Did-I…
?
I made no head way in this re-build till I replaced that cell…
Every time I entered the BIOS I found that it wasn’t set the way it was the last time I was in there…
I’ve been swapping drives in-and-out of this machine trying to get a set of drives to work that I stressed the power cables…
Now that I have a '98SE drive working on this P-4 Machine I am considering
replacing the IDE Drives to SATA Drives and be done with the OLD BOOT Drives…
in this machine…
Navigating and Producing Command Lines in DOS are my biggest enemies…
I have hard drives that I am unable to format in FAT-32…
I need them because '98SE doesn’t recognize NTFS Formatted Drives…
I need storage Space in FAT-32, to dump Tacks unto…
I learned that why I am unable to format drives in FAT-32 that have been formatted in NTFS is…
There is a Master Boot Record that is on NTFS Formatted Drives that has to be removed from the drive…
I don’t know how to remove that MBR file from Drive…
I know the DOS Command String…
I think it’s
* fdisk /mbr *
but I don’t know how to get the command to work in DOS
when I am unable to get DOS to recognize the NTFS Drive in '98SE DOS… AND to navigate to the drive that needs to be re-formatted…
The Updates and Utilities and Patches and All that worked on the '98SE Drive/Operating System before I got the Trojans and Mal ware and Dialler’s don’t work anymore…
I believe that I am gonna have to start from scratch with a new Hard Drive for this '98SE Operating System…
and hope that I can get them installed in the correct working order…
Is there a Down-Side to considering replacing these drives for SATA Drives.
?
Bill…
I had a look fellers… ain’t no 98SE boxes around I can play with… I’m curious… WHY hang on to 98SE? I know Bill has hardware with no XP drivers… what about you 7o’11? Why 98SE?
D
DIO -
I hang on to 98SE for one piece of software/hardware.
I have a ISIS audio interface,(no XP drivers) that lets me
record 8 tracks at once.
I have a little 4 track analog recorder/mixer and
when I don’t want to fire up the computer, I just plug the
axe into the four-track where I can overdub, then later
xfer over all four tracks in one shot.
I am going to put a ghost of (98SE) - install MSI 3.0
and see if N will install - probably get to that tonight,
so I’ll let you know tomorrow what happens.
Bill -
Use FDISK (from a 98 startup floppy)to remove NT partition
- when you select partition to
remove - it is under ‘other’. Just remove it with FDISK.
Then exit FDISK. Then run FDISK /MBR (from 98 floppy startup)
Then use fdisk to create a new primarty partion.
The only really good thing about ‘gdisk’ is it lets you quick
format, while fdisk won’t. That means on a large disk (say 80g or so)
you won’t have to wait an hour while fdisk does the format and
the verify.
Ah… gotcha… it’s the hardware “thang”. We do what we gotta do right? Good luck to you. I know it’s a bummer when OS’s advance and the hardware guys have disappeared. (or don’t care)
D
Quote: (sevenOfeleven @ Jul. 17 2008, 4:30 PM)
Bill -
Use FDISK (from a 98 startup floppy)to remove NT partition
- when you select partition to
remove - it is under 'other'. Just remove it with FDISK.
Then exit FDISK. Then run FDISK /MBR (from 98 floppy startup)
Then use fdisk to create a new primarty partion.
The only really good thing about 'gdisk' is it lets you quick
format, while fdisk won't. That means on a large disk (say 80g or so)
you won't have to wait an hour while fdisk does the format and
the verify.
Hi sevenOfeleven:
Thanks for that reply..
In the morning I'll get at this Format/ project/issue..
I think I have another drive that is not formatted with any format type.
If you do a properties on it the drive appears completly full..
and it says RAW
You can't write to it or anything..
If I remember.. and
is this correct..
? Once you write/format to a drive that isn't formatted in FAT-32 then a '98SE startup disk will not recognize/see that drive anymore..
That being the issue..
How can I access the drive in DOS so I can format the drive in FAT-32.
? I don't know how to open the DOS Command STRING to write fdisk /mbr to command the foemat action to begin..
on the drive-in-question to be formatted..
Bill..
Bill
If your BIOS sees the disk (i.e. if you go into your
BIOS setup program as the computer starts up - usually
F1 or F2 or DEL and you see the drive in the bios settings)
then FDISK will work. It does not matter what partition
type you have on the disk. Follow the fdisk menu to
delete partitions - your choices are something like
logical drives (drives in an extended partition)
the extended partition, and the primary partition.
There is also another choice for OTHER - like if you
had a LINUX partition. NT might fall under that catagory.
Delete all the partitions. Then use fdisk to create a primary
partition. 98 has some limitation that the primary and
extended ( if you use one ) can not exceed (total) 137 gigs.
So if you had a 200 gig disk, you should not exceed 137
gigs with a primary/extended partition combination.
You will get write errors and possibly loose
data in the extended partition. This has happened to me.
This is why the large disks use the overlay trick like
maxblast and such. But I try to avoid using those
overlay programs. Ultimately they are trouble.
Of course you could put on another OS primary and have
a dual boot.
Hi, I use this prog on a floppy disc to boot the computer and fully erase the hard disk.
http://dban.sourceforge.net/
Nick
Hi Gents:
Thank you for your replies to my questions…
Today, I am gonna see if I can format these drives to prepare this P-4 '98SE boot drive…
There are a number of issues that need to be resolved in it’s setup-and-configuration before I move on to installing and setting up the XP Drive…
I’d really like to be able to launch n-Track v5 and v6 versions on this '98SE setup…
I had v5 and v4 before this attack…
It would be nice to have all three versions of n-Track with their capabilities…
and to have the options of all three for this Lexicon CORE-32 hardware…
There is a Service PAC Cleanup Utility available from Microsoft…
I hope it will run on '98SE…
I need to get an installer setup-and-installed…
whatever version will run on SE…
as well…
I had all of this before I got HIT…
It’s quite frustrating to find that this drive/operating system doesn’t work now, like it did…
I was so fortunate not to run into these issues as I continued to build this SE setup…
Now. I’ve got all the issues that were reported by the guys on this and other Boards…
as they were getting out of '98SE…
I’ve got USB Utilities that I’d like to get repaired on this drive, as well…
Whatever hit this operating system…
I’d like to know…
Bill…
Hi sevenOfeleven:
I finally formatted a drive in FAT-32 (using DOS) that was previously formatted in NTFS and had a MBR for NTFS on it… I’m able to proceed now and format some data storage drives for use in this Dual Boot machine…
My next question is… Can XP be installed on a FAT-32 formatted drive.? What’s the Downside/Trade-off… ? This P-4 Dual Boot machine is only gonna be used for Audio/DAW/Editing-and-Tracking work… SO… why use drives that are NTFS Formatted anyway… ?
Bill…
WinXp will work on a FAT32 drive. The limitation is the drive format itself.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184006
A FAT32 partition doesn’t support any more than 32 gigs. Hard drives larger than 32 gigs will need to be partitioned in multiple 32 gigs or less partitions.
Hi phoo:
Thanks for the reply… The reason why I ask this question is… As the afternoon progressed I find just too many issues with this 98SE boot drive to continue… trying to resolve the problems that are showing up… I have formatted a W/D 40 gig drive that I am loading as new SE build… If I’m careful I think I’ll be able to load all the applications and utilities I need and load the new drive to where the old drive once was… Maybe… we’ll see…
The old drive has too many missing .dll files as it boots to the desk… I’ve got some 80 gig drives that I’ll partition as FAT-32 40 gig partitions… I’ll format two of them and connect them to one of the IDE Ports of the Promise-T Card… Creating 4 40 gig FAT-32 partitions…
Does it sound to you like I’m finally heading in the correct direction?
Bill…
I don’t think that is correct about XP and 32 gig limit.
I have an 80 gig primary partition with XP
on a dual boot with 98SE both fat32 (for some time now)
No problems. That may be an NT issue. Not XP.
There is the 137 gig limit with 98SE that I described before.
There is also an issue for 98SE and memory over 512 Meg.
So if you have a gig of memory installed - on 98SE you will
get (suprisingly enough) a "Not enough memory to run …:
You have to add a couple of lines to sys.ini
under [386 Enh] you need:
[386 Enh]
ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1
MaxPhysPage=3000
and under [Vcache] -also in sys.ini you need to add
[Vcache]
maxfilecache=500000
See this thread - or google win98 memory limit
98 mem limit
Hi Gents:
As the afternoon wound down and before I formatted and loaded this 40 gig W/D Drive for 98SE I ran into the issue you described regarding running out of memory for uninstalling some rogue software…
Then I got the missing .dll files when I tried to reboot and didn’t get to the 98SE Desk…
This P-4 has two Ram cards that total 1024 megs.
Or something like that…
The I gig of ram is for the XP Boot Drive…
When I originally built this machine the place I got the parts from suggested all the hardware…
I recall him saying that Both Boot drives would work O.K. if they were 80 gig, drives…
It would be my option to use larger drives for the XP part of the machine… I should format larger drives in NTFS
but FAT-32 drives no larger than 80 gigs. for the SE Desk…
He knew I was using a Promise-T card for the extra drives…
However, I seem to think the 98SE sees RAID Drives up to and including 32 meg…
I stand corrected…
on that spec…
I know I have formatted 60 and 80 gig drives in FAT-32 and connected them to the Promise-T card and used them for file storage for 98SE… with no issues.
I think…
Hi sevenOfeleven…
I’m intrigued over your post…
Do you think I have enough where-fores to consider this… ?
Quote… So if you have a gig of memory installed - on 98SE you will
get (suprisingly enough) a "Not enough memory to run …:
You have to add a couple of lines to sys.ini
under [386 Enh] you need:
[386 Enh]
ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1
MaxPhysPage=3000
and under [Vcache] -also in sys.ini you need to add
[Vcache]
maxfilecache=500000
See this thread - or google win98 memory limit
98 mem limit…
Anyway, I have a way to go to get the SE drive setup with the right 98SE drivers and all…
for the hardware package that in this box…
In the past I’ve had an issue getting the right Matrox G-550 drivers loaded into the SE Desk…
I’m working on this as I reply…
So, I may as well get the Graphics card drivers done…
You know…
all of this is to get n-Track v5 b 2313 and v6 latest builds loaded into this 98SE Desk…
Bill…
Bill
You may have 2 boot disks (1 for XP and 1 for WIN98)
but once you are booted, they share the same memory chips.
So if you have a gig installed then do the following.
I just ran into the 'Not enough mem …" problem when
I tried to install Net Frame 2 (or whatever it is)
on a ghosted 98SE set-up.
I may have posted wrong stuff last time 'cus I was using
notes from about 5 years ago.
This is what I have in my SYSTEM.INI file that WORKS.
[386Enh]
ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1
MaxPhysPage=40000
[vcache]
MaxFileCache=131072
MinFileCache=131072
add those lines to system.ini .
The easiest way is Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/System Info
Then under ‘tools’ there is 'strart-up configuration’
Where you will see SYSTEM.ini WIN.ini etc.
Select the System.ini tab.
Then just scroll down to [386 Enh], expand, and add the
items (above)
Same thing for [Vcache].
Also under the ‘Advanced’ Tab , set the max memory to 768MB
Hit ‘Apply’ ‘OK’ then reboot.
Then your programs will run.
PS If machine won’t boot because of ‘protected mem error’
then perform the same procedudre above in SAFE mode.