Uh yeah,
Unfortunatly only registered Ntrack forum users are goin’ to heaven, so your SOL. 
keep shinin’
jerm 
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| We don't gotta nail you to anything after you tell us do we? 'Cos my hammer's broke and I'm fresh out of lumber. So something more mystical and numinous would be appreciated; and don't forget the light show........I always love a good light show. |
You know, I used to think that, if I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, hammer in the evening, all night long...
But then, when you actually get a hammer, you don't hammer nearly as much as you thought you would.
(Unabashedly stolen from Ellen Degeneres)
Not to bring anything edifying to the nailing topic but…
It is a common misconception that the Jews killed Jesus, or that the Romans killed Him. When in fact it was God who crushed Him, in order to complete His perfect plan.
Afterall if the Jews killed Him unjustly, as history reads, than that is just another sin.
If the Romans killed Him to apease the Jewish leaders, yet another injustice.
All mankinds sins cannot be reconciled by another act of sin.
So it was God who crushed Him, in an act of Grace, not sin.
But I digress…
On a lighter note, some non-registered Ntrack users are allowed to enter heaven, but first must undergo a few long and enduring rituals.
It might just be easier to sign up! 
keep shinin’
jerm
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An understatement indeed.
Jesus BTW committed suicide and therefore does not reside in heaven. Since I’m not going to heaven as per Jeremy I guess I’ll be seeing Jesus. I marvel at how much Jeremy knows about all things unknowable. So mystical and magikle. So much for me and my science for science cannot compete with superstition, at least in America. In the rest of the world science fairs pretty well. Imagine that!
Crap…I’m out of cigarettes again!
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| Not to bring anything edifying to the nailing topic but..... It is a common misconception that the Jews killed Jesus, or that the Romans killed Him. When in fact it was God who crushed Him, in order to complete His perfect plan. Afterall if the Jews killed Him unjustly, as history reads, than that is just another sin. If the Romans killed Him to apease the Jewish leaders, yet another injustice. All mankinds sins cannot be reconciled by another act of sin. So it was God who crushed Him, in an act of Grace, not sin. But I digress..... On a lighter note, some non-registered Ntrack users are allowed to enter heaven, but first must undergo a few long and enduring rituals. It might just be easier to sign up! keep shinin' jerm
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You really gotta read some good history one of these days, friend.
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| Since I’m not going to heaven as per Jeremy I guess I’ll be seeing Jesus |
Don’t blame your choice on me bro.
Be a man for once in your life and take responcibility for your actions.
I have shown you several options, taint my fault you’d rather not.
BTW, that was sarcastic humor, as most of the registered users know. Or anyone who has READ THE ENTIRE THREAD!
I guess if ones only interest is to do a run by fruiting, than it makes no never mind.
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I marvel about how people can not take the time to register in a forum, but yet take things said in it by registered users seriously.
Tom:
HIS STORY.
I guess it depends on who he is telling the the story.
keep shinin’
jerm
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HIS STORY |
Please!
Now that Doomed has brought it up…I agree, Jesus killed himself. He knew it was coming and did nothing to avoid it and everything to embrace it.
Please write a 40 page rebuttal.
KF (a registered sinner)
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I wonder who was really behind it all.
Jesus was obviously the stooge, and he seemed to have realized it at the end.
Was it like in Life of Brian and it was a Judaic revolutionary group?
I suppose the thing would be to find out who profited from the whole deal, and then you’ve got the mastermind behind it all.
Wasn’t it Peter or Paul or one of those dudes who was involved in disappearing funds from one of the first Christian churches in Asia Minor or something?
I think that is the other way around. Jesus manipulated the Jews and the Romans too. There are lots of parallels in Jesus’ death and philosophies to the death and philosophies of Socrates, the story of whose death must had permeated much of the ancient world. His influence on the Greek and Roman worlds was great, in part because he chose to die for his principles. Perhaps Jesus was aware of Socrates and used the Romans and Jews to make sure that the world remembered the beliefs that he (Jesus) died for. It this were true then the Jews and Romans were just tools, and nobody should hold their actions against them. Just like Socrates before him, he made no effort to escape even though his fate was certain. There is a school of thought that Judas was given the task by Jesus to make certain of his capture - Judas loyal and not a traitor. Makes you wonder.
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THAT’S why he died. Because we are ALL “registered sinners” straight from the womb. His death and ressurection was/is God’s plan so that through Jesus, us “registered sinners” can receive His grace and mercy.
It really is that simple. Leave it to “religion” to screw the whole thing up.
D
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| Now that Doomed has brought it up…I agree, Jesus killed himself. He knew it was coming and did nothing to avoid it and everything to embrace it. Please write a 40 page rebuttal.
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How niave I would be to fall for that one KF. It is the oldest trick in the book (Bible) to be more specific.
It is also the first sin. Not eating the apple, but defending the questioning of God’s word and sovereignty.
Genesis 3:1
Serpent says,"Did God really say you must not eat any of the fruit in the garden?“
Eve answers,“Of course we may eat it”.
I may be new in my studies but I have managed to get through chapter three.
Truth needs no defense, but lies do.
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| Wasn’t it Peter or Paul or one of those dudes who was involved in disappearing funds from one of the first Christian churches in Asia Minor or something? |
Paul was a bounty hunter of the early Christians, a crime in the first Century punishable by death. He never met Jesus before His death, so it is unlikely he was poised to profit by it. (other than by the bounty he received for each Christian killed.)
Peter actually was a prosecutor in the incident I believe you are referring to. The plaintiffs were Ananias and Sapphira.
They allegidly stole the money (or withheld the full amount of monies gained by the selling of their own property which was promised to the church).
In the end, no trial or jury was necessary. When confronted they both fell to their knees and died instantly. some text read, they were struck down by the Holy Spirit, others just say they croaked after Peter spoke.
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Yeah unfortuantly that school is based on text whos authenticity cannot be confirmed. At the Last supper, Jesus did not say, " One of these men will be loyal” That text was conveniently lost for 2000 years then found again. Sounds like fools gold panning to me.
But what he did say, "One among you will betray me"
was confirmed by Four people, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (unofficialy by Thomas, Mathias, Mary and other non-cannon writers)
Those text were never lost, and all remain fairly consistent at least in matters pretaining to this particular account.
BTW, KF
(registered sinner 4 life my nizzy!)
Only a truly Gracious and Merciful God would love me after all I have done. Only a perfect Loving Father could Love someone like me regardless of my transgressions.
He found a way for a wretch like myself to be reconciled.
He offers you the same.
D,
My registration card came with my birth certificate.
keep shinin’
jerm
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Perhaps you’re right Diogenes.
The one thing I do know, is that I ain’t got no answers.
(Just a whole boatload of questions
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You’ve got that right, Gizmo …
Lotsa questions
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Mrs Doubtfire, yes ?
W
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That’s good, most discovery is found by people asking questions that other people already thought they knew the answers to.
God doesn’t want us to take on someone elses understanding, but to reach our own.
He says, “Seek and ye shall find”.
Sounds like your already on your way to understanding this ball of mineral water and your purpose in it.
Oh, Wilhan, YES. I have no prize for your correct guess, but feel free to pick up your complimentary box of Riceroni on the way out of the studio.
keep shinin’
jerm
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| That’s good, most discovery is found by people asking questions that other people already thought they knew the answers to. God doesn’t want us to take on someone elses understanding, but to reach our own. He says, “Seek and ye shall find”. Sounds like your already on your way to understanding this ball of mineral water and your purpose in it. |
Sorry Jeremysdemo, but I ain’t found no answers in any holy books or from any holy men for nothing.
And I’ve looked, very carefully. But seems to me that faith more often blinds us than helps us see clearly.
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| And I’ve looked, very carefully. But seems to me that faith more often blinds us than helps us see clearly. |
AMEN!
BlindFaith was a good band…
KF
I dunno, I have a bit of a problem with this idea of ‘Suicide by Inaction’. It seems to me that suicide sort of requires some action on the part of the individual involved to directly bring about their own death.
Otherwise couldn’t it be argued that everyone who has unprotected sex commits suicide? Never mind that you thought you were in a monogamous relationship - you should have used a condom just in case. Or getting on an airplane that subsequently crashes - since it could happen and then did happen - did you commit suicide? Or driving? Or walking along the sidewalk? Or not slimming down to your ideal body weight? Or accepting a ride from a stranger?
If you include failure to prepare for possible eventualities as being suicide doesn’t that make everyone a suicide? You die at ninety-three in your sleep but if you’d taken better care of yourself you might’ve lived to one hundred…are you a suicide?
And if we allow that in our thinking then what about failure to take action to save a life? Is that, then, murder? I’m trained in CPR - if I don’t perform CPR on a stranger because I’m worried that he/she might represent a health risk to me did I murder them?
I guess I can accept the idea of someone having some degree of moral responsibility for a consequence of their inaction but to equate not taking specific action with suicide seems to me to be stretching the definition of the word.
I think it’s easier to find some reason to discredit an idea or persons claim, (even if the reason is without merit) than to spend any time investigating the possibility that it might be true.
Jesus certainly left more questions than answers.
If the accounts of how He raised the dead, healed the sick and fed thousands with little more than 5 loaves are accurate he certainly wouldn’t have had to go out that way. I mean I can see a few, even twelve, diciples being brainwashed into believing something. But 5,OOO people? Even mass hallucination would render each person to it’s own minds eye. They wouldn’t ALL hallucinate the same thing happening. I think God demontrated His infinite Mercy in the crucifiction of His Son. Did Jesus HAVE to do it, be obedient to His Fathers request? NO. It’s that amount of Mercy many members of mankind cannot and will not believe to be true. For them there must be some other explination, madness, death wish, suicide, ANYTHING! they can come up with that can explain away a perfect act of Love and sacrifice for themselve whom they feel to be worthless, or for some reason not worth the effort, (which is a lie).
They are worth it, and infinitly precious to God. Convincing them of that proves to be the greatest challenge of any Christian, or believer in the only one true God and creator of ALL things.
keep shinin’
jerm
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I bet you have more answers than you think you do. Just listen to that little voice in your head (NO not THAT little voice!
) and then follow your heart. Not knowing anything is sometimes the best way to find out SOMETHING. Look in the right places.D
The problem, Jeremy, is that no one can investigate the possibility that it might be true.
We really have only one source of information and if one does not accept the authority of that source there is really nothing to investigate.
We are left with a question of faith.